F911
This is in response to the response from Andrew and lies in the movie F911
The truth is a funny subject, as one can tell the truth, and still be lying.
I wonder, how many truths were left out of this movie.
It is easy to be truthful without telling the truth,
for example, I am going to tell everyone who is reading this the truth about what I did in Australia.
I visited people and went swiming. Did a lot of shopping. Then flew home.
Now, that is all true, not one single lie. But believe me, it is not the entire truth. What I wrote above is just as misleading as is the movie F911
I find it hard to imagine that anyone, unless they were in the Presidents shoes, that day, that moment, could even imagine what was going through the mind of the President of this country.
Andrew, you stated or you asked, for just one lie to be found in that movie.
I will hand you more than one, how about, each and every time, the thoughts of the President were spoken as if they were the actual words of President Bush at that moment.
Because I could only sit through the movie one time, and even then had to get up and go outside.
My lie count was at about 30 and climbing.
A statement of fact, without all data, is not the truth.
The Movie F911, is just that, A MOVIE nothing more, nothing less.
Suzanne Katz
Beverly Says: August 3rd, 2004 at 7:42 am
You missed the point. I am old
enough to remember what Viet Nam
was really like. The way the
country was divided. The corruptio
n. And, as always, the war was
fought by the young men from the
poorer quarters. In this case, we
have entered a war based on mis-
information, whether intentional or
not – the man is incompetent. What
you do when a person is incompetent
is fire them. That’s all. Simple.
Suzanne Katz Says: August 4th, 2004 at 7:22 am
Well, Beverly, I too am old enough to remember Vietnam. I lost my daughters Father to that war.
So do not write as if I were born yesterday.
Tell me, was the Vietnam War based on truth or misinformation? Next question, Do you have acess to the same information that the President does as it relates to the reasons we are in this war?
I think that until someone has the exact and truthful information that President Bush had when he sent our troups to war, then what you are writing is only your personal thoughts, based on movies, newspaper articals and other such items. We, the people of America need to realize that some information can not be released to the public. Any war creates a country divided. Any Election year creates a country divided. Even the Stock Market Problems created a country divided.
Just be thankful you live in a country where you can voice your thoughts without the fear of being pulled out of your bed at night a taken to somewhere unknown. With the strong possibility of being eliminated.
I must, as an American Citizen, stand behind my President. To do anything else is to feed more fuel to those who wish to destroy this country and all that it stands for.
Yes, there are times I have my doubts. But, as I do not have the information that the President has, I can not, with good reason state as a fact that this war is wrong.
Give me the fact, the one’s that everyone talks about, but no one knows about. As the facts are not available to the public. This is part of the price we pay for living in America.
Suzanne
For a final comment. Do you have even the slightest idea of what was going on in that country before we sent our troups in? As if you did, I doubt very much you would be using words like misinformation, or calling the president – incompetent.
bloggosaurus Says: August 8th, 2004 at 12:57 am
Suzanne, I understand your loss. I, too, have lost a relative to the war. I have, however, conquered my grief and come to the conclusion that the war was a strategic failure fought on an idealogical whim. Believe me that it is hard for me to think that my brother-in-law died for no noble reason. It is for this reason that I don’t approve of the War in Iraq. The world is not a safer place because of our invasion and occupation. I supported our president when he presented us with information bolstering the claim of an imminent threat. Of course, mainly, I’m referring to weapons of mass destruction. Most people who support Bush have dropped that claim, because they know that it simply isn’t true and the effect of purporting that claim is ethos-draining. Those same people now make excuses for the president by saying he was given faulty intelligence. When preparing for a major large-scale invasion, the president is supposed to make sure that the evidence is reliable, credible, and relevant. He did none of this. I believe that the war was waged not for oil, as some ignorant liberal name-callers have devised, but for domestic political purposes. The other major factor that sucked away at the president’s credibility is that in the months leading up to the invasion, he stated his reasons for invasion as realistic and for the purpose of security to the United states, but when the actual invasion occurred, the story changed from one of Americas’ survival to the liberation of the Iraqi people. If we truly cared about saving or improving human life, we would have pursued an aggressive agenda in Sudan before the genocide that by the end of the next year will have claimed over three hundred thousand lives. Excuse me, let me repeat myself. THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND! This is not an exaggeration. In fact, this is a minimum body count number. The sudden switch from protecting ourselves to liberating the Iraqi people was the first time I truly thought something was fishy. My beliefs were confirmed when Bush forsook diplomacy and shunned the United Nations. “Not bringing the French to Iraq is like forgetting to bring croissants to a Texas barb-b-que” is a funny joke, but lets not forget that the French have a nuke.
Suzanne Says: August 8th, 2004 at 3:42 am
Bloggosaurus
I do not disagree with most all that you have written.
The first time I posted a comment on this site, was the first time I had every posted any of my political views. Because I am not extreamly policticaly informed, I am limited to what I write. I do have very strong views, and do agree with you about the Vietnam War. Seems that war will not let me go, as now I am married to a Vietnam PTSD Vetern. Of course this make life a challange in the pratice of understanding.
My family has a strong military connection, My Father is a retaired AirForce Major, My Daughter is in the Navy reserves, I have been involved in a special military unit for about 20 years. Still deeply involved, though thinking it is time for this part of my life to end.
I tell you what bothers me so much. As what I am about to write, is why I remain on the outside of politics,
I do vote in all elections, 99% Republician. I listen to those running for office, now, there was a time in my life I believe what these people were stating. But as the years have gone by and one President after another, once in office, these promises made to get the votes, well, how many do they really carry out.
Next, I used to believe what the President would state. As if it were written in stone. That started ending with Nixion and has gone downhill till now I am at the bottom of the hill.
I know that things are going on in Iraq we know nothing about, or that the general public knows nothing about. This was has taken me back to those day when Vietnam was in its begining. Oh, yes I see the same picture, just different landscape. The body count is getting higher, the terrible injured young people are arriving in the 100′s, (my guess is about 9,000 injured, if going with the same ratio as in Vietnam). Except, there is one very big and very upseting difference. During the Vietnam War, we had daily, hourly, information from the newsmedia who placed themselves in danger just to bring the American Public the truth of the events taking place.
WE ARE NOT GETTING ANY DETAILS EXCEPT FOR THAT WHICH IS DECIDED WE SHOULD HAVE.
What happened to the freedom of the press?
I look around me, and know I will still vote Republician, as the other choice is not even a choice.
I am glad I will not be around in another 50 years, as I fear for this country. Little by little I see our rights as a free people being taken away. This is easly done, as little bills, are hidden in large bills being passed by the House and Senate.
Yes, I know I am off the subject, but lets just say, OK I do agree, and lets also say, I have in my life done my part to protect the freedom of Americans. Of course we all have a choice we can live somewhere else. But, lets face it, even with our problems, our leadership, and all the other grips that are written on this site. Where on this earth, can we live as we live in America.
But to really appreicate this face one must spend tme in many other countries, as I have. Once you have had the experience of how even the advanced countries live. One realizes, Americans as a whole are very spoiled.
So, I guess that is about all I have to write, could write more, but lets face it. We do have a choice. We can not change the government. We can not make the promise made come true. We can live elsewhere. But where, as even as bad as sometimes it seems to be, THERE IS NO PLACE ON THIS EARTH LIKE AMERICA.
Just because one loves their country, does not mean they must love the on running the country.
I also agree with you about the United Nations, and of our Europe Friends, well, the UK love us as a people but
but as to this situtation and as to our President, well I really feel sorry for their Mr. Blair. And as for the French, well French are French, very emotional just as I am, and their decision was made on their emotions. I think their decision was correct.
Yes, the French do have a nuke and you would be quite surprised at what other countries have nukes.
Guess I have rambled on long enough, Sorry Zack, if you read this, as yes I am no longer blinded by being an American. I am an American and proud to be one, but now I do not believe everything like a child, see, I think I finally grew up.
Suzanne
Chris Jarrard Says: August 11th, 2004 at 10:46 pm
Well, i have a comment about what i think about the “liberals”. If the president didn’t declare war on Iraq and something happened to the United States like the September 11 attack, i would bet the democrats would have put down Bush and the republicans for that. But since “we” prevented that from happening what do we get in return from some of the citizens of the United States of America, a bunch of pointed fingers at Bush for sending our willing and paid soldiers to Iraq to prevent another Sept. 11 kind of attack.
Some Thoughts Says: August 12th, 2004 at 12:54 am
To Chris Jarrard,
If by “we” you mean republicans and by “prevent” you mean criticism by Democrats then you have everything backwards. Remember the Democrats are the peace loving ones and the Republicans are desperately trying to attain world dominance (refer to the New American Century Report). As for preventing a Sept. 11 kind of attack, lets see how many terror threats we had during Clinton’s presidency vs. Bush’s. The answer is 1 for Clinton and more than I can count how many terrorist plots were thwarted under Clinton vs. Bush? The answer is 2 for Clinton and 0 for Bush. Both presidents dealt with 1 successful attack.
The fact is (and no one can deny this) that if Bush only went to war with Afghanistan both Dems and Republicans would support him and the rest of the world wouldn’t be so afraid of us (thus there would be less terrorists because fear does not deter suicide terrorism). Ask your self this also. If Bush didn’t go to war in Iraq and never lied (or mistakenly declared) about Iraq’s WMDs or Al Quida connections than he could have preserved the post 911 domestic and global unity. He also could have used the resources that were sent to Iraq to find Bin Laudin. Imagine if 250,000 “willing and paid” were sent to the border of Pakistan and Afghanistan instead of Iraq. One thing I do Know is that the “willing” would be much more “willing” to be perusing the man responsible for 911 than to occupy Iraq (a nation which has never…ever…ever been a real threat to American soil).
The real truth we can all agree on is that if Bush Jr. didn’t go to Iraq then Bush would never have made a fool of himself and America by declaring to the world that Iraq had massive quantities of WMDs and Al Quida connections. This is a mistake that must be criticized. Remember 931 of those “willing and paid soldiers” would still be “willing and paid” instead of dead. Lets not forget the 5715 soldiers that have been injured because of this war.
So to recap.
Before the Iraq War: World sympathy and respect, united bipartisanship, 931 living soldiers and a chance to unite the world in the fight against terrorism..
After the War: Abu Garab, World fear of the US, Increasing terrorist threats, 931+ dead soldiers, occupation of a hostile country, a politically divided America, no-bid Halliburton Bechtel and Kaki contracts and fewer resources to find Bin Laudin.
I challenge any one else to put up their own list to see if you can justify this war.
Good Luck!
Chris Jarrard Says: August 12th, 2004 at 2:50 am
Dear,
“Some thoughts” you and i both know that Sadaam was in fact a threat to the U.S and other coutries. If we didn’t use force to get him out of power then who knows what he would’ve done, that’s the bottom line. And this dominating attitude of yours is quite funny. And i guess the reason they’re alot of democrats is because of the media which is very liberal. I guess F911 could be put in that category. It is so misleading.
Chris Jarrard Says: August 12th, 2004 at 3:07 am
Yea another thing is that everybody knows that Clinton is a liar. He lied under oath, but i guess you don’t mind cause you’re a immoral democrat. That means you don’t care if you have to lie, cheat, or steal to get your way, like the democrats often do. You probably don’t care if an innocent baby in a mother’s womb is killed, after all it’s not alive yet. What’s the difference in a baby in the mother’s stomache and 10 months later after it’s born? My answer is 10 months, it’s still the same baby just that 10 months older. But that’s just one of the many reasons i’m republican because i do have morals.
Suzanne Says: August 12th, 2004 at 12:40 pm
Hi Chris,
I can not decide if you are a Democrat or a Republician. As in both of your comments you have put each party down.
Actually I vote mainly Republician. And as to your comments, I really don’t know what you are talking about if your comments are in reference to what I have written. I do not remember stating that I was for abortion or againsit abortion, that is my business. I think that your statement that I am an immoral Democrat, and that I lie and cheat, puts you why out of line.
If you read my comments, you will not find one lie, and I happen to be a person of high morals, do not lie, nor do I cheat, (or not that often)
I f you could be more specific about what your grip is, I might have something to answer. But I think you had one too many beers before you wrote your three comments. As you have not made any reason what so ever.
Expecially in regards to what I have written.
Thanks you
Suzanne
Chris Jarrard Says: August 12th, 2004 at 12:55 pm
So i guess the question i have for u is do you think that saddam was a threat to the U.S.?
Andrew Says: August 13th, 2004 at 6:40 pm
Someone please offer some shred of evidence that Saddam was planning or even capable of attacking the US. He never had the ability to even touch our soil and he has never used terrorist tactics (remember he was a general). And besides that why did we have to go to Iraq when we were (and are) in the middle of the war on terrorism? Why couldn’t we wait until our forces weren?t so spread out and we could build global support?
The answer is simple. The only reason we went to war with Iraq is because the UN sanctions were about to be lifted allowing Sadam to sell his oil on the open market. This bothered some people because he wouldn’t have sold any of it to us because the US imposed sanctions killed 500,000 mostly children (according to the UN). This bothered the Neo Cons because they knew that the countries that did receive those contracts could compete against America?s Oil companies, of which many of the NEO Cons are CEO?s or share holders.
Don?t believe me! Then take a ride on everyone?s favorite Chevron Oil Tanker, the Condoleezza Rice. I really don?t understand how anyone can be for this war or president. It is so obvious what is really going on and the Bush regime doesn?t even bother being discrete about it. I mean come on?no bid contract to Haliburton. It?s like they don?t even care about public or world opinion. My only explanation is that Republicans are either actively ignoring the obvious to pursue a selfish and violent foreign policy or they simply think that all the rhetoric that Dems are saying is the same old political discourse so the discount it like when they were arguing over Clinton. Well I?m here to tell you that things are different this time. Now the Dems are arguing not just to be right but because we are honestly scared of what Bush will do if he gets 4 more years. Whats next Iran, Syria, or N. Korea? What about the draft? Will my children be in the next coffin that photographers can?t take pictures of. Will my children?s funeral be downplayed? Will we (or have we) create more terrorist through out the world by ignoring world opinion and invading sovereign nations with out a justifiable reason. Will bush ever visit one of those funerals for the fallen?
I would like to renew my request for the Republicans to talk in FACTS not conjecture and please include sources. Also please show me a source that states that Saddam had WMDs in the year 2003 and that he had Al Quida Connections (since this is the issue that Republicans always claim as fact). Please post the link so I can read the source for myself.
The answer is simple. The only reason we went to war with Iraq is becouse the UN sanctions were about to be lifted allowing Sadam to sell his oil on the open market and he wouldn’t have sold any of it to us becouse the US imposed sanctions killed 500,000 mostley children (acording to the UN).
Suzanne Says: August 12th, 2004 at 10:51 pm
Now, you come direct to the point.
Do I think that Sadam was a threat to the US?
As to the weapons of mass destruction, and such, these we did not find. So in that regards, but only for this moment in time, a threat in that area, now, no. Regardless, Sadam was a threat to the US.
I also still believe, that in time, there will be weapons or chemical weapons found, not necessary Nukes, but things that could and would have been used by others to cause destruction in this country.
Sadam was and we all know it, an Evil Man; As were his sons. The people of that country, suffered, and suffered for years. I know a lot more that you might as what was going on over there, and it was sick.
Sadam was not powerful enough at the time we invaded his country, although in combination with others, he was a major threat to the US. His close contact with those who are determinded to destroy America, his financial support of these groups, puts him on the same level – A Threat to America.
Do I think we should have invaded that country? YES and NO, as the no goes for
and what it does to people. The YES goes for
I wish this were an Alice in Wonderland World, it is not, this is the year of 2004. This is a space in time that we as a Country of people spoiled with wonders of America, a people of whom many have not the slightest idea of what it is like in any other country but America. TIME TO GET EDUCATED MY FELLOW CITIZENS – The world is not even close to that which we enjoy in this country, not even 1/100 close. Now, on this earth, there is America, we have everything, have the potiential to do what we want with our lives. Live in relative freedom, we spend money like it grows in our gardens. We do not just have one food Market, we have hundreds to choose from, and so on down the line. Then look at the rest of the world, with us at the top, going down, just under us is Canada and Australia, then some of the European countries, and down at the bottom is the third world countries.
This have and have not breeds hatred, and hatred breeds dangerous people and dangerous people turn into leaders like Sadam and that is a BIG THREAT
So with that in mind, Yes, we did what we had to do, as no other country would do it. Yes, it is going to take time to get that country back to normal, though normal is an unknown equation for the people of that country.
I think to myself; If I were a woman, who lived in that country during the rule of Sadam, what would my life be like? Would I be able to write you this email? NO! Would I be able to be the independent person I am? NO! Would I be able to go where ever and when ever I wish on a trip, without getting approval, NO.!
If you knew me, I would more than not be shot at sunrise if I were under the rule of a man like Sadam.
And not only I, you too, and everyone who write comments on this site, and my website, well, that would be reason for me to be beheaded, should I try to have that site in that country under the rule of Sadam.
Forgetting all of that, he was an evil man, he wanted to see the destruction of America, he helped and aided those who are active in the planning of the destruction of America. Don’t be a bleeding heart, bleed for that which is worth bleeding over. I realize many innocent citizens have been killed, This is as we all know a fact of war.
But say we did not take out Sadam, and lets look about 10 or so years into the future, we all know what took place on 911, well in 10 years had we sat back and done nothing, we would be the country being invaded; what do you think 911 was, just a vist for people who don’t like us? IT WAS AN ACT OF WAR AGAINST THE COUNTRY OF AMERICA. No, Sadam did ot fly those planes, but do you in the deepest part of your heart, not believe he knew nothing about the events that took place that day, before they occured?
Do you think for one second, that a lot of the funding did not come from him? If not, if you think that the war in that country is wrong. Forget the media hype. forget the gossip you hear, take a trip over there, but be very careful as you still might be beheaded by those still under the control of the beliefs of Sadam, go there and go into the little villages, talk to the people not those who walk the streets with signs, go to the real people, those the news media do not visit.
Because these people smile, and it is not blood guts and gore.
Talk to these people and see what they say. I will tell you what they will say.
Thank God for America.
Remember, what subjects sell newspapers, and give high ratings to network TV? The protesters, the crying women, the hurt children.
But the real truth will not be found on the evening news, nor in you newspaper. The real truth of the true feelings of the people of that country can be found in only one way. Go and talk to them.
I know those who have, and I know what they have told me.
A threat to a people, as Sadam was to his own people, A man who supported those who fly planes into buildings on American Soil, A man who has never, not once kept a promise made on any govermental issue. A man who used gas to kill thousands and thousands of his own people. A man who if he had the means would wipe this country off the face of the earth, THIS MAN WAS A THREAT TO THE US, TO EUROPE, TO AUSTRALIA, TO CANADA, AND TO HIS OWN COUNTRY, AND THOSE COUNTRIES AROUND THAT ENTIRE AREA.
Lets get over this Alice in Wonderland, type of thinking, we do not live in that kind of world, this is a world with good people and with bad people, the bad people are so bad, that the things they will do, not even the most violent movie will show.
One does not need to be a Democrat, a Republican or a Liberial. On only needs to see beyond their nose, and the evening news.
Do what I have done my entire life, vist these other countries, and if you want to see evil and feel fear, then go into places like Iraq, Iran, and many others, though even those that are somewhat safe, the elements have changed. Where 10 years ago, I would travel Europe without a second thought. Not now, I will now only go to Canada and Australia.
Sadam by himself, was not a threat, but Sadam with his buddies this was the threat, an evil person if locked away in a room can do no harm but a person like Sadam running loose, running a country, this is a danger that must be eliminated.
So answer to your question: A GREAT BIG YES, and yes I have a daughter in the Navy Reserves, so understand the fears of family with their sons and daughters fighting this war. Better do it now, than wait for the time when it is more than just three plans crashing into building on American Soil
Suzanne
Chris Says: August 13th, 2004 at 3:18 am
so Suzanne you said you were against war so if you had the powerful position of the president what would you have done to get saddam out of power so that we wouldn’t have a big attack again? we both know that saddam was willing and capable of doing that.
Suzanne Says: August 13th, 2004 at 8:18 pm
Hi Chris, – then Andrew after I finish Chris’s question.
Yes, Chris, I did state that I hate war; if anyone loves war they have a problem.
With that in mind, and if I had to make the decision, I would have done exactly as President Bush did. Just because I hate war, does not mean I would sit back and wait for the day when American is attacked again, but on a larger scale. I also hate cleaning house, cooking, grocery shopping, the TV News, and turnips.
Now to Andrew;
First Andrew, you must stop getting all of your information from you TV news, or the newspaper.
I don’t know if any of you have noticed, but our news is getting a bit controlled!!!!!!!!!
Watch tonight’s news, flip stations, you will most likely find the say story at the almost same time on each station. This is especially true with cable. I am not saying that someone is controlling the news we hear, but also I am not saying “That someone is controlling the news we hear”.
The plain and simple truth, and because it is so simple and so clear, that is why you have a hard time believing it.
We had to take out Sadam, for the future protection of America, against another but larger attack.
That is it, plain and simple.
Nothing to do with oil, nothing to do with Daddy Bush, Nothing to do with the UN,
Yes, I agree we are spread out. Korea, Afghanistan, and now Iraq; and we still have service people in Yugoslavia. Yes, the Korea’s have the nuke or almost the nuke. And what did President Bush do, but go pick a fight with poor innocent Sadam; let’s cry a few tears for this wonderful man. Bull S—.
The facts that you so desperately want, I can not give you, but time will bring them all to light.
Oil is not the reason; we have oil, Halliburton, well that is one that I am sure both the President and the Vise President knew it would be a scapegoat for those who did not back the war. And this it is.
You said that Sadam was only a General, ONLY A GENERAL so he could not do an act of terror, or be involved with terrorists? Is this your thinking? No wonder, you are confused. Now, poor General Sadam gee lets all cry a bit more for this man. And while we are at it let’s do some crying for his two evil sons’, you know the boys who loved to rape women then slit their throats? Nice kids this General raised. And guess who would be the next to rule Iraq when Sadam died. Son Number one; unless Son number two got rid of number one then it would be Son Number two. Did not matter which son took over, each was just as bad or even worst than their Father.
General Sadam, hated the US, General Sadam loved to gas his own people. General Sadam, had bank accounts all over the Arab world plus Europe and America. I wonder why, a General who is in charge of running the country of Iraq has billions of dollars in all these different countries? I do not remember that he traveled a lot. Actually he was way too busy hiding his association with our Afghanistan Friend. And to busy, going over the future plans of attack on American Ships, Buildings, Bases, and especially crashing two planes in the buildings in New York, and one at the Pentagon, and one other we do not know but let us assume it was meant for the White House.
Andrew, do you for one moment, think, that with all the hatred that General Sadam had for the US, for our way of life, for our government. , for us keeping him out of Kuwaiti. And for quite a number of other reasons but the list is too long. By himself, he could not have easily committed a terrorist act on American Soil. But, remember, General Sadam did nothing himself; he had others do it for him. OTHERS DOING THE WILL OF GOOD OLD GENERAL SADAM.
Wonder how much money our friend – Oh what’s his name? – got from General Sadam. Hey, have you seen this buddy of ours lately, when was the last time you actually saw a recent photo of this man. And the last one that you saw, who showed it to you, the nightly TV news? Yep, that is what I thought. Did you know this man has very bad diabetes? Must do test, and take what ever one must take with this problem. Now, of course we all know our friend is hiding in some cave high in the mountains so remote, that we can not find him. REALLY NOW, we have those little things going around and around the earth, you know the satellites. They can get the license number off your car. They can photograph anything anywhere they wish, and the photographs are great. Is not this friend of ours very tall, much taller than the numbers on a license plate? What, not photos? I don’t understand, how can one man with a health problem that needs constant maintenance, a very strong tendency to go into a diabetic comma, (remember he lives in a cave in a very remote area) He also must really watch what he eats.
Now let’s do some simple math.
Our sick friend living in a cave, we will give the number 4 to him, as actually it was four planes that were to attack America on 911.
Now let go to our friend the General. OK let’s give him the number 2, because he had two sons. Good enough reason,
Let’s give the unknown element a number also. (Yes, it is this unknown that is causing the confusion)
What number should this be? OK 2004 that is this year. Good number
So we have a 4 and a 2 and a 2004
Let us start with the 2004 now, as you think we should not have invaded Iraq, let us take away the 2 from the 2004, thus moving General Sadam out of the picture.
What is left, 004 which = 4 which – our very sick friend we have seen nothing of, nor heard anything of for a long time. And what we have heard or seen comes from the same people that would have you believe that America does not have enough oil for our own use.
Well, someone has got to be our friend in Afghanistan, and this person who plans all these terror attacks, and organizes, down to the very most detailed information. All while he is hidden in a remote cave somewhere in the no where of anywhere.
Do you want to know what I strongly believe?
This sick friend of ours is dead, and has been for quite some time. But is kept alive in the minds of the world to strike terror when ever, and where ever. Who ever wishes to do so?
Now, was our friend alive during 911, yes we have a camcorder recording of him cheering and such. But wait a minute; he is back in a cave in a very remote area of some mountain some where. And even if the camcorder had batteries, by the time they got it to him, they would be dead, and the dust would have put dust marks all over that film did you notice how crisp it was?
Do you know how many doubles General Sadam had, you never knew if it was the General or the Generals sit in. Well, same with our very tall and sick friend.
This is what I think; no this is what I believe.
In the beginning, yes, it was our Afghanistan guy who made the detailed plans on the attack of 911. General Sadam is not smart enough to do that kind of planning.
But, it was financed by good old Sadam, by the time the event was to take place, our friend had gone to where bad boys go when they die this is why we did not find him during our intensive search of that country. He was either 10 feet under the ground, or cremated.
Guess who is was running the show of terror. Our good and dear friend General Sadam, with his two lovely sons.
Have you noticed anything odd, ever since Sadam was captured, no terror, yes there is – what do they call it – babbles, or something like that? But nothing actually happens. (with the exception of the train bomb in Europe, now wonder why that happened when it did?) Other than that, not even one little tiny bomb. (Of course we must eliminate Israel from this math class as they have bombs going off all the time though nothing to do with this case.
NOT ONE SINGLE ACT OR TERROR, SINCE WE INVADED IRAQ. NOT ONE. NOTHING, NO WHERE, NO HOW.
Wonder why, we have had a lot of events that were perfect for a terror attack. Nothing occurred.
Tell me, why not. They were taking place all around the world at least once a month up to the day we invaded Iraq.
Because we eliminated the number 2, because you don’t believe General Sadam could do a terror act, but we know he has in the past, to his own people, now we must put back in the 2, take out the 4 because he is dead, and then again remove the 2, which leave us with 00 or nothing.
If you’re not good at math I will make this very simple
We are being mislead.
Our Tall friend is dead; Sadam took over the plans of this man, now we have Sadam.
We are being told that our tall friend is alive. Why?
I don’t know why.
Had we not invaded Iraq, we had another tall friend in very good health with all the plans for attacking America, the people to do these attacks, the money to carry out these attacks. And the one last important part, his extreme hatred for the United States.
Nothing to do with oil, all to do with terror.
I am sure that there are many facts the government can not tell the public for security reasons. And I am sure that when the time is right, we will all know the real truth, we invaded Iraq because it was in the end, Sadam who flew the plans on 911, or his friend’s followers who also believed that this tall man was alive.
If I am wrong, then I will admit I was wrong, though as a woman, I am not very often wrong.
Just do me a favor think on this one for a bit. No hurry, and I am sorry about the spelling and grammar, did not have my dictionary open to correct.
Just think on this for a few days, and while you do, watch the news switch channels, see if you see the exact same story on every channel at almost the same time. Read the newspapers buy some from different states, you will find the international news, and the war news exactly the same word for word.
Listen to those who do the explaining after someone like the President speaks to the nation. They tell us what they think we should think what the president said. I don’t know about you, but if I listen to someone speak, I know what to think do not need anyone to tell me what to think. Same after the Democrat Convention, we were told what to think about who and what who said.
The only speaker I listened to, was Mrs., Kerry. Now, I like that woman. But is she not a republican?
That is one woman who will not take shit from anyone. Reminds me of myself.
Now if you think I have lost my mind for what I have just written, this too will in time come to light, so don’t send the loony truck for me at this time.
Suzanne
Suzanne Says: August 13th, 2004 at 8:33 pm
Hi Everyone
Some how, it put in two of the same long comments I wrote above, so though none of you wanted to read it again, and the delete did not works,
So here I am again.
Actually I just wanted to thank those who have made comments to my comments, and have either agreed or disagreed, and have asked questions.
Why, well, first it is the proper thing to do, Second, I have a very bad habit of being politicaly silient.
and being quiet in this environment, is not good.
So to the person who got me visiting this site, Thanks my Friend, and to the nice lady who’s comment just made me make a comment which has lead to over I think 15, 13 somewhere around there, back and forth comments. I am learning alot. I am having fun. It feels good to get my true thoughts out.
Thanks for reading
Suzanne
http://flowersinmyhair0.tripod.com
me Says: August 13th, 2004 at 9:24 pm
to Andrew if saddam was capable of attacking his own people and alot of others he is cappable of attacking us, he was not some lowly person he was widey know he definately capable of attacking us if not he knew people who can make him capable. you make this war sound like a publicity stunt . if we didnt do something and we had anouther attack you would still dislike Bush just because you dislike republicans and etc. john kerry is using his service in the KoreanWar ,but he came home earlly and then told lies about what the troops did over there. I dont see how anyone can vote for john kerry. I think you priorities are mixed up like arollercoaster.
Suzanne Katz Says: September 29th, 2004 at 3:46 am
TO ME OR YOU
HEY I NEVER STATED I WANTED JOHN KERRY AS PRESIDENT I THINK HE IS A WEAK LIER AND NOT CAPABLE OF RUNNING THIS COUNTRY, YES, BUSH HAS A SPEACH PROBLEM BUT THIS DOES NOT MAKE HIM A BAD PRESIDENT. I HAVE STATED BEFORE AND WILL AGAIN, WE THE PUBLIC ONLY KNOW SOME OF THE TRUTH A LOT OF THE TRUTH CAN NOT BE MADE PUBLIC, THIS IS OF COURSE UNDERSTANDABLE. IT ALSO GIVES THE INFORMATION TO THOSE WHO MEAN US HARM, BUT AMERICA IS USED TO KNOWING EVERYTHING,
NOW I WANT TO GET SOMETHING OUT, I WANT TO VENT SO HERE IS MY VENTING FOR TODAY
I AM SICK AND TIRED OF THIS BACK AND FORTH AND BACK AND FORTH WHO WAS THE WAR HERO, WHO DID NOT AND WHO DID AND DID THEY REALLY AND ARE THOSE PAPERS FAKE AND ON AND ON AND ON, NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT THE ISSUES, THE PROBLEMS, ACTUALLY I COULD GIVE A SH– ABOUT EITHER OF THEIR MILITARY RECORDS, BIG DEAL, YES, IF THEY HAD BEEN DISHORNERD DISCHARGED, THAT IS DIFFERENT.
BUT ENOUGH ALREADY
THE BEST COMMENT I HAVE HEAR, AND DO NOT KNOW THE NAME OF THE TV PROGRAM BUT THE SAME GUY WHO DID POLITICAL INCORRECT IS THE HOST,
THIS IS WHAT HE STATED
IT IS ABOUT TIME THE AMERICAN PUBLIC CAN PICK WHO IS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT, I MEAN WE GO OUT AND FIND THE PERSON OR PEOPLE, NOW HE CHOOSE ARNOLD THE GOVERNER OF CALIFORNIA AND PRESIDENT CLINTON, HEY I WOULD GO FOR THAT, BOTH WOULD MAKE EXCITING DEBATES, BOTH HAVE A WEAKNESS TOWARDS CERTAIN SAY HABITS, BOTH HAVE HUMOR AND BOTH ARE VERY CAPABLE OF RUNNING THE COUNTRY.
I JUST WOULD HAVE A HARD TIME PICKING.
NOW LET US GET ONE THING STRAIGHT, I AM A REPUBLICIAN, HAVE VOTED REPUBLICIAN ALMOST EVERY ELECTION WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ONE.
MY ENTIRE FAMILY IS REPUBLICIAN, I LIVE IN A REPUBLICAN STATE, NOW HOW MUCH MORE CLEAR CAN I BE. I WILL POST A REPUBLICAN LOGO ON MY WEB SITE JUST TO MAKE YOU HAPPY, BECAUSE I THINK YOU ARE NICE, BUT THEN I LIKE MOST ALL PEOPLE.
SUZANNE
OH, I AGREE WITH THE SADDAM THING, I MEAN I REALLY AGREE.
Suzanne Katz Says: September 29th, 2004 at 3:54 am
TO ALL WHO HAVE COMMENTED TO THE 911 MY COMMENTS IN THE “AMERICA DIVIDED” ACTUALLY GO ALONG WITH PART OF THE 911, JUST USED TWO DIFFERENT HEADINGS, NOW IF YOU READ THOSE YOU ARE GOING TO REALLY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I STAND FOR
SUZANNE
draco Says: October 18th, 2004 at 8:41 pm
“…Evil triumphs when good men do nothing…”
-Edmund Burke, the great 18th-century Scottish philosopher and British parliamentarian
liberals only criticize those who act- not unlike movie critics who never have to deal with the rigors of actually getting a film made. Or a sports analyst who has never felt the pressure of performance. Or a business professor whose only experience lies within the ivy halls of his tenured existence. they have these things in common. their solutions never work and only result in disaster consistently. they are not practical, nor are they grounded in reality. they live in a dream state where every one in the world has good, honest intentions and the only enemy is responsibility. they think the golden rule is evil, until they are asked to volunteer their own coffers for solutions.
P.S. to ANDREW- I’m waiting for your rebuttals….
(this should be fun fellow conservatives, stay tuned!)
Serbian National Says: October 18th, 2004 at 10:31 pm
You know what really ticks me off? People how type in Caps needlessly, as in their entire post is in Caps! I don’t even both to read them, because how can they have anything meaningful to say?
You know what Edmund Burke also said (he was indeed a great man, draco. Glad to find another Burke lover on this site!) He said that “a representative owes the people not only his industry, but his good judgement, and he betrays them if he sacrifices that to their opinion.” That perfectly states what Bush said in his recent debate – a good leader does what he knows is right and best for the people, even if those people might not agree with him.
Emory Says: October 18th, 2004 at 10:44 pm
Yeah, Burke Rocks because he spoke out against becoming too much like France after the French revolution.
Serbian National Says: October 18th, 2004 at 10:45 pm
Here’s what one says to an anti-War person who says that Saddam wasn’t a threat to the US:
1. Saddam’s past record provides only probabilistic evidence of his likely future behavior. It does not provide a guarantee. No-one on our side is saying there is proof he will attack America or our allies, only that there is an unacceptable risk that he will.
2. If we delay, he can build up his forces in secret until it is too late. His neighbors will conclude they can’t rely on us and had better surrender while there is still a good price available for doing so.
4. May I remind you that if we don’t disarm SH and he gets the war he says he really wants, Israel may just nuke him? If we don’t keep things in order in the region, someone else may, and it may be a very ugly picture.
4. His repeatedly stated designs to destroy Israel, which follow no realpolitik logic, prove he is not vicious-but-logical as you say.
Next, of course, they say that the risk wasn’t unacceptable, and that the CIA said so.
I do not assign high credibility to the CIA after its string of failures. The objective risk remains as long as the objective WMD capability remains and the regime remains a tyranny.
If the CIA isn’t reliable, they say, then where do you get your information from?
The question at hand does not turn on specific details. My premises may be disputable, but all this means is, as I said, that we confront a probabilistic threat and not a certain one. “Deductive” is not a valid pejorative without a demonstration of a flaw in the logic. My reasoning is based on 2,500 years of history concerning the behavior of tyrants, and is therefore not a priori. These people respect force, and an ideology of holy war like Nazism or jihad is only attractive as long as people think they are on the winning side.
Deterrence only works if the threat is credible. If Saddam Hussein sees our current attempt to discipline him subverted by the American far Left and far Right, we can no longer credibly threaten him.
Of course, the obligatory, “What are we disciplining him for?” comes in.
We are disciplining him for being a tyrant with WMD, and to set an example that will prevent others from trying.
I am well aware that the rogue-state WMD disaster we all fear may not come from Iraq and it may not come in 5 years or 10. It may come in 30 years and the perpetrator may be an Islamist Tanzania or a Marxist Venezuela. But if rogue states are not systematically disarmed, it will come one day and
5,000,000 – 50,000,000 people will die. The sooner a rigorous program of forcible disarmament is established, the sooner they all get the message and give it up.
The argument that SH would never arm al-Q. & Co. because they hate each other is historical null. All it takes to get people who hate each other to cooperate is a common enemy. Observe the US-USSR alliance in WWII and many others.
(all taken and paraphrased from here)
hitlers ghost Says: October 23rd, 2004 at 8:07 am
The entire world pussed out when the U.S. invaded iraq, just like europe pussed out when Hitler took the Rhineland.
Suzanne Katz Says: November 5th, 2004 at 3:20 am
A long over do comment to Serbian National
I type in all caps for one of two reasons
my cap lock is on and have forgotten to turn it off. Or, I am either ticked off,or trying to get an important point across to people who fall asleep unless it is in ALL CAPS, LIKE YOU DO.
Suzanne Katz Says: November 25th, 2004 at 9:42 pm
To Phentemine
are you just advertising your site, and or do you think all of us who frequent this site need your service?
Just wondering that is all
But, am assuming you comment “This is a one super duper site” is in reference to yours, if not I am sorry for my comment
George Smith Says: January 18th, 2005 at 2:35 am
A reasonable person would see that Jesus was a liberal. The republicans want to make lies to make war. Shame on them and the evil they promote.
elise Says: January 18th, 2005 at 4:16 pm
Well, George, you poor bitter person. I consider myself Independent, but for you to say that Republicans promote evil, really shows a lot of ignorance. Maybe some or all of the far right religious republicans will pray for you. I certainly will.
BonnieM Says: January 18th, 2005 at 4:28 pm
Maybe we all should pray for eyes to be opened. And the bitterness of the losers should turn to something postive & trying to improve the party, rather than name calling and hanging on, and on, and on, etc.
Serb Says: January 18th, 2005 at 6:25 pm
Comment #24: I’m sorry Suz, what was that? It was in Caps, and therefore I DIDN’T READ IT! Using Caps for emphasis is perfectly acceptable, but using it in place of a POINT is not. People don’t like reading comments that are considered, on the internet, obnoxious.
Suzanne Says: January 19th, 2005 at 9:30 pm
The part that was all in caps
“all caps like you do”
would you like me to rewrite the other I did in all caps? Yes, I do understand that on the internet and email all caps is like shouting at someone, and I also know I sould not do that.
So, I will use my best excuse,,” I am only a woman, therefore I am not perfect, expecially when it comes to shouting with all caps.
Am I forgiven Serb?
Hey, I have been reading some of your comments on other subjects, you do sometimes really come up with words, that make me do some thinking. This is good, as being open to what others say, and checking it out, is a learning process. We all can learn from each other.
Now, I did not use all caps, in this comment
Thank you for bringing this to my attention, as yes, I know it is really rude, though that was not the intention
Take care
Suzanne