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1. zoot potatoe Says: September 15th, 2004 at 12:26 am

   there still is no proof that this memo is a lie, yet, its alot of conservatives…

   how come you support the Swift Boats for “truth” who has hardly any factual evidence, then denounce these memos? *sigh… there is much more evidence that the SW”T” is lying vs. the memo’s being forged…. *sigh, pooor, poor blind conservatives who unfortunatly feel everything they do is correct, that bush is perfect and kerry hasn’t got a good trait in the world… it’s quite funny, when you think about it… conservatives always being correct as this site poorly tries to make it seem

2. kad77 Says: September 15th, 2004 at 4:53 am

   Sorry this site is under read. I will come to the defense of the post, and much to the chagrin of the moot potato above, look to a few sources that may convince anyone with an IQ above their shoe size that some truly shoddy forgeries made it on national television:

   Here is a liberal thouroughly dissecting it: newcomer

   Here is a blog that contains many statements by people involved with the gaurd and the story running away from the memos and timely news:

   littlegreenfootballs.com

   Ok, Zoot, backup your unfounded claims about the swiftvets, I dare you. Just today an “After Action “report written by Kerry himself was relased (google yourslef) that backs up SWIFTVETS VERSION OF EVENTS REGARDING KERRY’S SHOOTING A VC TEEN!

3. mikem Says: September 15th, 2004 at 9:53 am

   Zoot: Because of the SBVT ads, Americans now know that Kerry slandered the very same “band of Brothers” he embraced on stage. We know the “political turning point in his life”, to which he gave evidence in Congress (Christmas in Cambodia), was a made up tale. We know he garnered three Purple Hearts without being hospitalized or missing time, and used those to get out 9 months before his fellow swift boaters (then went home to slander them before the world). One of those PH’s was for a unintentional self inflicted wound, a circumstance that caused Max Cleland to decline a Purple Heart despite losing three limbs!!! His Silver Star was for chasing down a wounded, escaping VC and killing him. NOT Silver Star material, unless you are a Kerry. All this was revealed to the American Public thru the SB ads and the subsequent admissions Kerry was forced to make when his own loyal crew refused to back him up on many of the charges.
   The Bush AWOL crowd have now been revealed as forgerers and CBS as incompetent and oh so obviously hypocrites in the way they vetted these forgeries versus the manner that they dismissed the SBVT ads as smear, (even after Kerry started making admissions).

   But hey, I’m glad your so happy, cause I am estatic!

4. Flopsy Says: September 15th, 2004 at 7:56 pm

   Yes, there is proof that the documents are forgeries. Every document analyst and their teacher, including an expert on Microsoft technology, has said that there is virtually zero chance of them being authentic. But Dan Rather is not convinced. Well Dan, good thing you planned to retire next year. What, did you figure since you’re out soon anyway, that you might as well do something utterly ridiculous? If people won’t believe CBS is objective when I’m reporting, then I’ll make sure no one ever trusts CBS ever again? What’s up Dan?

   As for believing the swiftees, they say that Kerry is a liar. Well, we have proof that Kerry is a liar (Christmas/Cambodia). Also, he’s a war criminal who admitted he committed atrocities. Oh yes, he used the word “atrocities”. His word. If you don’t believe that Kerry committed atrocities in Viet Nam, then you don’t believe Kerry’s own words, and therefore he is a liar. Which would you rather elect, Kerry the liar, or Kerry the war criminal?

   I’ll stick with Bush.

5. zoot potatoe Says: September 15th, 2004 at 9:40 pm

   there is also proof that the Swiftboat for truth was lying too about lying about his service. I didn’t see a lenghthy messege as to how they are false or denouncing them in any way.

6. zoot potatoe Says: September 15th, 2004 at 10:02 pm

   besides, while there may be “proof” that kerry is lying, there still is no proof that Bush is telling the truth about his service, either. I didn’t mean to end the above statemtnt so abruptly

   Missing documents about his service, the best they can conjure up are a few pay stubs.

   Every news source I can find has put ironic before “swift boat vetrans for truth”, where they call them ironically named

   Thanks to video archives, Daily show has pointed out one of the men in the commericals actually praised Kerry’s service in his 96 senatorial run. why dont you guys look into that and see that the boaters are lying?

   I’d rather elect Kerry, the man who clearly would lead the country better then bush, thank you. I’d rather see Kerry in office then a president that believes the country should follow religion by his whim (gay marriage, abortion, so on and so on). I’d rather see Kerry in office, who doesn’t give giant tax breaks to rich, that doesn’t give america the largest defecit ever. I’d rather see Kerry, the man who wouldn’t cave in to large special interest groups.

   I’d not like to see Bush the man who outsources jobs over seas in office. I’d rather not see Bush the man who can’t even prove his service in the guard in office. I’d rather not see Bush, who destroyed US’s image to the world by attacking Iraq for non-existant WMD’s, in office…

   thank you very much for asking such an “impossible” question, floppy. Thank you for caring more about 30 years ago then now. Too bad we don’t live in 1972, eh? then i guess you’d be better off.

   besides, until they have to, I dont think CBS or Dan Rather will be disproving these memos.

   and, mikem, Kerry MAY have made up a tale to congress, but now bush MAY be making up a tale to the american people. Kerry may have purple hearts, but poor ol’ bush has none. Hardly any of the Swiftboaters actually met Kerry at all durring t his war,and I believe they are simply republican vetrans that formed a group to kick Kerry out of the race.

7. zoot potatoe Says: September 15th, 2004 at 10:03 pm

   …3rd in a row, the tale that bush may be making up is of what he did at national guard.

8. zoot potatoe Says: September 15th, 2004 at 10:15 pm

   ..meh, fourth in a row, but it’s been interesting looking this subject up. Now, i know that Kerry and SB are both very partisan groups, explaining why you all like the SBs and disregard what Kerry says, yet I do vice versa, but factcheck said this about kerry’s purple heart

   “The grenade incident is actually supported by Kerry’s own account, but the shrapnel wound was only part of the basis for Kerry’s third purple heart according to official documents. The evidence here is contradictory.

   Kerry’s account is in the book Tour of Duty by Douglas Brinkley, who based it largely on Kerry’s own Vietnam diaries and 12 hours of interviews with Kerry. “I got a piece of small grenade in my ass from one of the rice-bin explosions and then we started to move back to the boats,” Kerry is quoted as saying on page 313. In that account, Kerry says his arm was hurt later, after the mine blast that disabled PCF-3, when a second explosion rocked his own boat. “The concussion threw me violently against the bulkhead on the door and I smashed my arm,”

   oh well, i’ll just be quiet and fill more possible holes when the challenge araises or someone replies

9. mikem Says: September 16th, 2004 at 3:43 am

   Wrong Purple Heart, zoot, and the Kerry campaign already admitted to it. If you are calling Kerry a liar, then I won’t argue with even if your wrong.
   In general, zoot, any Kerry supporter that points to his Vietnam service as a reason to vote for him is a hypocrite. Kerry came back from Vietnam 9 mos early on minor wounds and then slandered his “band of brothers”. If you want to buy Kerry as a war hero, then you must also buy him as a traitor to his own men. But you are welcome to him. Vietnam vets are turning their backs on the “war hero” and polling overwhelmingly for Bush. Kerry’s nomination is another twist of the knife for Vietanm veterans, but that’s what liberals like about him.
   “Bring it on”, then he tries to get the SBVT book banned. Great liberal tradition there, eh? Nut that is what your party has become. Speech codes instaed of free speech. A candidate that is so fearful of his fellow Swift Boat officers, he actually demands that their voice be silenced, both in bookstores and on cable/TV. Pathetic.

10. Flopsy Says: September 16th, 2004 at 4:06 pm

    Don’t say “meh” you moron. That’s what retards say when they get excited.

11. Flopsy Says: September 16th, 2004 at 4:11 pm

    What do you mean there’s no proof GWB is telling the truth about his National Guard Service? What truth? That he served? I’ve seen pictures of him in planes, that would be a pretty damn elaborate setup if it’s fake. Also, they do have dental records that proved he was there. What “tale” are you talking about that Bush is telling, about what he did at the national guard? Did I miss a story somewhere along the line?

12. JD Says: September 16th, 2004 at 4:47 pm

    Having just read all Zoot’s comments I am convinced this person is delusional. The SWBV are first person accounts of their experiences in Vietnam. I will take that any day over a political machine like Kerry’s. Let’s look at facts: Kerry got three purple hearts but never spent a day in the hospital. Dan Rather says he stands by his story but his “proof” is fabricated. George Bush doesn’t deny he worked on a senate campaign instead of being on active duty. But he says he had permission and had already amassed enough hours to fufill his duty requirement. Oh, and by the way. When Kerry returned home he was supposed to be on reserve for two years but there is no record of him fufilling that requirement. Why isn’t Rather investigating that?

13. JD Says: September 16th, 2004 at 5:27 pm

    So let’s get this straight. Dan Rather now says yes, the memos are probably fake but they are accurate. Now, is it just me, or are we back where it just depends on what the definition of “is” is? Are we opening another chapter in the liberal book on absurdity? Rather thinks he proves his point by getting an 86 year old woman to say, no, she didn’t type the memo, but if she had that is what it would have said. Amazing

14. zoot potatoe Says: September 16th, 2004 at 9:21 pm

    I never point to Kerry’s service as a point to vote for him. I dont believe what the guys did 30something years ago matter TODAY, But as long as it’s the argument, i’ll bring it up

    and it IS the right purple heart. It states above that the third purlpe heart was only self inflicted, but the post I had with kerry’s concussion quote shows otherwise.

    and yes, i didn’t want the main point of another post above is the truth of the memo’s and stuff, I meant to say that if the memo’s were against kerry in the exact same situation (forged), the site would not talk about the fact they are forged but what little “proof” you can garner out of them

15. zoot potatoe Says: September 16th, 2004 at 9:26 pm

    also, i didn’t mean he didn’t join, i meant desserter…

    there is no proof he fulfilled his National Guard duty, as of yet.

    If i’m dilusinoal, i’m interested as to what you say about the conservatives around here with no substance are… I’ve given up seriously trying to debate here long ago once the only responses were against my spelling and when people made stupid stereotpyes of eachother. I can be smart, research what i’m saying, research the lies others are saying, but, unfortunatly, this website just isn’t worth the time. I save the real stuff where I can debate smart and get good responses back

16. zoot potatoe Says: September 16th, 2004 at 9:31 pm

    heck now, the only reason why I come here is to stir things up, and to get attention from stupid blind conservatives, 5 replies from other people bashing me tells i’m doing something right

17. jd Says: September 16th, 2004 at 10:38 pm

    On Zoot: I rest my case

18. mikem Says: September 17th, 2004 at 12:37 am

    So Zoot is actually a towering intellectual who has only been masquerading as a dimwit here at LAL. Well, it worked pal; I bought the dimwit act hook, line and sinker.

19. SLG Says: September 17th, 2004 at 2:54 pm

    I’ve had enough of people who obviously don’t know anything about the military throwing around terms like AWOL and desertion. These are serious charges and allegations like disobeying an order by a superior are taken VERY seriously by the National Guard (in Texas, Alabama, or anywhere else.) George W. Bush received an honorable discharge after serving his country…a clear determination was made by the military that he had fulfilled his duties. Any speculation to the contrary is not only an obvious political ploy, but should be considered offensive to our U.S. military, which deemed Bush’s service satisfactoy. (And, as a sidenote- where were the liberals on military service when campaigning for Clinton, who spent the Vietnam era smoking pot and protesting?)

20. zoot potatoe Says: September 17th, 2004 at 11:52 pm

    that is a bit of what bugs me

    Bush got honorable discharge, so he “clearly” did nothing wrong then

    Kerry got 5 medals… hold up! he self inflicted himself to get his 3rd medal (no, he didn’t, as one of the posts above states). hold up! he doesn’t deserve that silver star, though many other recieved the medal the exact same way. “clearly”, Kerry does not deserve any recognition for vietnam.

    It’s people that only choose to hear all the positive things about conservatives and the negative things about liberals that bring me here. Those who are select listeners are who I call “blind” conservatives.

    The truth is, both men served well durring vietnam, weather your too afraid to admit anything is good about the other man or not. I just post th e opposite of the majority of this site because if my discouragment of the blind political views of surfers here.

    so yes, JD, i am an intellectual giant, i’m flattered to read that

21. mikem Says: September 18th, 2004 at 4:08 am

    Again and again, zoot, you have the wrong medal. His first Purple Heart is the one which his campaign revealed to be self inflicted. Three Purple Hearts, no stitches, no hospitalizations, no missed time. He was a disgraceful traitor to the men he served with and has no business pretending to now be a proud veteran after slandering those he left behind. But he does sound like someone you would feel at home with.

22. jd Says: September 18th, 2004 at 3:46 pm

    Zoot I didn’t call you an “intellectual giant” so please don’t blame me for that. The point here is John Kerry has tried to use his Vietnam experience as a reason to vote for him. That is why it is being looked at critically. Bush has not promoted his service in the same way. Bob Dole, a certified war hero, did not promote himself in this way. In fact NO candidate in recent memory has tried to parlay his service like John Kerry. So he is asking for this scrutiny. The SWBVT have an issue with this guy that goes back 30 years. It has nothing to do with Bush and you have to accept that. They have a right to be heard.

23. zoot potatoe Says: September 19th, 2004 at 4:46 am

    ! i’m sorry JD, I didn’t mean to credit you with that ironic post, i need to check more closly who says what next time… sorry :/

    and sorry mikem, i just remember back I was “arguing” with this one person and he kept brining up kerry’s third purple heart, and I always seem to keep that one in mind…

    http://factcheck.org/article.aspx?docid=231 has tons of information about the SB people…

    “Two who appear in the ad say Kerry didn’t deserve his first purple heart. Louis Letson, a medical officer and Lieutenant Commander, says in the ad that he knows Kerry is lying about his first purple heart because “I treated him for that.” However, medical records provided by the Kerry campaign to FactCheck.org do not list Letson as the “person administering treatment” for Kerry’s injury on December 3, 1968 . The person who signed this sick call report is J.C. Carreon, who is listed as treating Kerry for shrapnel to the left arm.

    In his affidavit, Letson says Kerry’s wound was self-inflicted and does not merit a purple heart. But that’s based on hearsay, and disputed hearsay at that. Letson says “the crewman with Kerry told me there was no hostile fire, and that Kerry had inadvertently wounded himself with an M-79 grenade.” But the Kerry campaign says the two crewmen with Kerry that day deny ever talking to Letson.

    On Aug. 17 the Los Angeles Times quoted Letson as giving a slightly different account than the one in his affidavit. The Times quotes him as saying he heard only third-hand that there had been no enemy fire. According to the Times, Letson said that what he heard about Kerry’s wounding came not from other crewmen directly, but through some of his own subordinates. Letson was quoted as saying the information came from crewmen who were “just talking to my guys … There was not a firefight — that’s what the guys related. They didn’t remember any firing from shore.”

    Letson also insisted to the Times that he was the one who treated Kerry, removing a tiny shard of shrapnel from Kerry’s arm using a pair of tweezers. Letson said Carreon, whose signature appears on Kerry’s medical record, was an enlisted man who routinely made record entries on his behalf. Carreon signed as “HM1,” indicating he held the enlisted rank of Hospital Corpsman First Class.

    Also appearing in the ad is Grant Hibbard, Kerry’s commanding officer at the time. Hibbard’s affidavit says that he “turned down the Purple Heart request,” and recalled Kerry’s injury as a “tiny scratch less than from a rose thorn.”

    That doesn’t quite square with Letson’s affidavit, which describes shrapnel “lodged in Kerry’s arm” (though “barely.”)

    Hibbard also told the Boston Globe in an interview in April 2004 that he eventually acquiesced about granting Kerry the purple heart.

    Hibbard: I do remember some questions on it. . .I finally said, OK if that’s what happened. . . do whatever you want

    Kerry got the first purple heart after Hibbard left to return to the US . ”

    So it appears that what the 2 men say in this ad isn’t necessarily true… which my initial argument is that the SBFT is more interested in downing kerry and puffing facts then telling the hard truth

    also, the kerry campaign never “admitted” it was self inflicted, only said it was “possible” “big” difference

    …
    My problem here is a failure to see anything from most people to acknowledge that the SwiftBoaters aren’t telling the hard truth. Instead of relaying what the commercial is telling us and passing it off as facts, it’d be nice to actually read the whole story

    so my problem isn’t kerry, it’s an inability here for anyone to even slightly acknowledge the distorted facts of the sbft, more examples of “blind” partyism, drowning the bad things of your party and the good things of the opposite party…

    and I’m glad for clinton now. He told Kerry to stop bringing up vietnam, it appears to be working. besides, its the demo’s anyway that bring up Bush’s guard service as an issue too… I want to know what I can expect from bush or kerry in the next 4 years… but i still can’t stand the blind partyism here (i like that word, partyism)

24. zoot potatoe Says: September 19th, 2004 at 4:51 am

    ! sorry JD! I didn’t mean to credit you with that ironic post! i have to read who makes what posts clearer :/

    and mike, i just always have one incident of an “argument” here where someone talked about kerry’s 3rd purple heart as the bad one stuck in my mind, so i bring it up

    fact check on the 1st heart

    “Two who appear in the ad say Kerry didn’t deserve his first purple heart. Louis Letson, a medical officer and Lieutenant Commander, says in the ad that he knows Kerry is lying about his first purple heart because “I treated him for that.” However, medical records provided by the Kerry campaign to FactCheck.org do not list Letson as the “person administering treatment” for Kerry’s injury on December 3, 1968 . The person who signed this sick call report is J.C. Carreon, who is listed as treating Kerry for shrapnel to the left arm.

    In his affidavit, Letson says Kerry’s wound was self-inflicted and does not merit a purple heart. But that’s based on hearsay, and disputed hearsay at that. Letson says “the crewman with Kerry told me there was no hostile fire, and that Kerry had inadvertently wounded himself with an M-79 grenade.” But the Kerry campaign says the two crewmen with Kerry that day deny ever talking to Letson.

    On Aug. 17 the Los Angeles Times quoted Letson as giving a slightly different account than the one in his affidavit. The Times quotes him as saying he heard only third-hand that there had been no enemy fire. According to the Times, Letson said that what he heard about Kerry’s wounding came not from other crewmen directly, but through some of his own subordinates. Letson was quoted as saying the information came from crewmen who were “just talking to my guys … There was not a firefight — that’s what the guys related. They didn’t remember any firing from shore.”

    Letson also insisted to the Times that he was the one who treated Kerry, removing a tiny shard of shrapnel from Kerry’s arm using a pair of tweezers. Letson said Carreon, whose signature appears on Kerry’s medical record, was an enlisted man who routinely made record entries on his behalf. Carreon signed as “HM1,” indicating he held the enlisted rank of Hospital Corpsman First Class.

    Also appearing in the ad is Grant Hibbard, Kerry’s commanding officer at the time. Hibbard’s affidavit says that he “turned down the Purple Heart request,” and recalled Kerry’s injury as a “tiny scratch less than from a rose thorn.”

    That doesn’t quite square with Letson’s affidavit, which describes shrapnel “lodged in Kerry’s arm” (though “barely.”)

    Hibbard also told the Boston Globe in an interview in April 2004 that he eventually acquiesced about granting Kerry the purple heart.

    Hibbard: I do remember some questions on it. . .I finally said, OK if that’s what happened. . . do whatever you want

    Kerry got the first purple heart after Hibbard left to return to the US . ”

    So it appears that the 2 men don’t know exactly what was happening back then. Heck, the man who said he treated kerry for his wounds doesn’t appear to be telling the truth about his position

    The problem here is that hardly anyone here acknolwedges that the swiftboaters are distorting facts, instead, they tell about what the ad says and immediatly assumes it’s true because of their “blind partyism”, failure to hear negative things about their own party, and to hear positive things about the opposite party.

    and yes, kerry runs on his vietnam service, i mean… what else CAN he run on?

    not to mention that kerry’s campaign never “admitted” he self inflicted his wound, only that it was “possible”, big differnece … *rolls eyes

    It is the democrats that started with the vietnam service for Kerry AND Bush, when you think about it. I want to learn from the 2 men what to expect if they are in office the next 4 years, but I just talk about kerry’s service to hopelessly shed some light on the blind conservatives here…

25. zack Says: September 21st, 2004 at 4:51 pm

    It’s always fun to go back and read posts after the news stories are completely revealed. So much for the posts defending CBS and Dan Rather!

26. SLG Says: September 21st, 2004 at 6:22 pm

    Zoot- I was the one who posted about an honorable discharge. And, contrary to your accusation, I actually cast no aspersions on Kerry’s military service in my post. None. In fact, I would be the last person to denigrate any member of our military. I simply pointed out the irony that the democrats didn’t find honorable service (by any candidate) important until they had a candidate who could boast of his medals. Your response was, typically, a distortion of my point of view.

27. Sonja DeJong Says: September 22nd, 2004 at 6:39 pm

    Zoot- Do you have a job? Or are you waiting for a liberal President to get in the White House to make one for you, thus taxing us half of our wages so you can blog all day long? Zoot you are so wrong on so many levels but your just too much of a waste of my time. I have to get back to WORK, that four letter word Zoot doesn’t understand.
    Everyone, just ignore Zoot. If you ignore him he will go away.
    Oh yeah, and the smiley faces are so lame- And the “roll eyes” is pathetic. Run along Zoot go back to playing with your Kerry Edwards action figures.

28. zoot potatoe Says: September 22nd, 2004 at 9:27 pm

    SLG- I know. I guess I had forgotten to make a point I wasn’t talking about you. I meant as a whole, why is it that because bush got out, people assume he did nothing wrong, yet when Kerry got 5 medals, there is so much controversy?

    and Sonja, i’m flattered you actually think i’m old enough to have a job, If I did i’d be breaking child labor laws… so I can’t afford the Kerry Edwards action figures unless I really pissed my parents to do so

    but, imagine how fun they would be! POW POW POW! I’m Kerry, i have a rifle, i’m going to kill you!

    wait! don’t get mad! he’s with somoene who was born poor! mua ha ha ha ha ha.

    And when I get a job, I do plan to somehow, I don’t know how yet, to use my heavily taxed wages to propel me into a state of blogation unpresidented in the history of the internet.

    and where did I waste your time? Don’t tell me that your afraid of the truth, the majority of my post was from factcheck.org

    Well, i can’t blame you, Sonja, for being afraid of the truth. Being an the oversensative, heavy Bush supporter that you are, it is likely you would hang yourself if you even attempted to sort fact from fiction, instead of just assume the Swfit Boaters and other conservatives are always right, when the democrats are always wrong.

    on other news, today marks a new era in the 2004 election! the National Guard issue is dead, and so are Kerry’s brags about his vietnam service! Now we’re on to Iraq, healthcare, and education! Not to mention political action figures.

    You can ignore me sonja, but i’m pretty sure i’ll be posting my thoughts here longer then you ever will… unless Bush gives your company tax cuts to send your job overseas *rolls eyes

    but now, seriously, sonja, where am I wrong? If you actually payed attention to the world around you, you’d see that the swiftboaters lied and distorted facts just as the memos lied and distorted facts about bush! But I can’t be sure if you understand this or not. I’m “wrong on so many levels” I can’t tell yet if you actually understand anything other then what you want to hear or not.

29. Sonja Dejong Says: September 23rd, 2004 at 3:54 pm

    Zoot, my apologies, I did not realize you were not an adult. Your rhetoric shows that for your age you are exuding some intelligence, however you need to stop referring to conspiracy theories as factual evidence. Have fun with what your doing and pay mindful to your studies. Until then here is something for you to spend your time figuring out, which I’m sure you will.

    De kennis herhaalt meer dan slechts wat u hoort. U bent heel helder voor een kind, indien u echt bent. Echter hebt u niet je feit recht en dat bedroeft mij. U begrijpt de wegen van de wereld nog niet, maar u wil en het zal mooi zijn om je overzichten wanneer je ouder te horen. Tot dan ik blij ben, bent u te jong te stemmen.

30. zoot potatoe Says: September 23rd, 2004 at 9:53 pm

    glad i’m young to vote? I’m assuming you are sad by all that will/would vote for Kerry durring November…

    I appreciate the comments you have made on me, but I feel what you are implying is that since I am liberal, i do not understand much. If I were pro-bush, I would obviously blend in more with the surroundings and a “lack of knowledge” wouldn’t be evident…

    However, I do try to take the time to learn all I can of the world around me. I avidly am on CNN and read the local papers as often as I can, and have found for myself that I do not like bush’s ways… his lack of care for nature, how tax-cuts for the rich somehow help the economy (Reagans trickle down theory quadrupled our debt, and the trillion dollar surplus that Clinton achieved while in office was deleated the first few months Bush was in, money we could have used to repair our roads, bridges, and provide health care.) Also, here in the state of NC where text-tile mills are, the effects of the seemingly Bush phenomeonon called job outsourcing has really hurt many families I know.

    I could care less about what these 2 men running for president did back in the days of Vietnam. I do care that it appears that many (on this site, it’s mostly the conservatives, while blindly in their party), fail to see, or at least acknowledge, any loop holes within Bush’s guard service, while listening to a clearly biased and fact-distorting group “Swift boat vetrans for truth” and feel everything is scrwey with Kerry’s service.

    However, it now appears that Bush has won both battles within this 1972 controversy. Kerry’s failure to shake from his “happy” campaign made the distorted allagations against him 10x worse. And now, if a democrat is to bring up the service, we can just point out these memos and say “how dare you, you are forging proof.” However, I am glad someone finally won this battle, as now the 2 men are shifting to Iraq and health care, instead of Kerry saying “i was in vietnam” and the DNC saying “Bush Skipped”. I feel that Kerry’s boasting may have been what hurt him in the polls, but that could just be reading this in bad context.

    I understand that saying “tehre is more truth that SB are lying then the memos”, but I stand by the fact that both were lying in order to promote their guy. My hope now is that bush and kerry escape this memo-mess unharmed.

    and I’m curious, what “fact” that you don’t seem to mention am I wrong about? the memo’s < SB line, or something else newer?

    factcheck.org/article.aspx?docid=231 is the factcheck analysis on the SBfT commercial.

31. zoot potatoe Says: September 24th, 2004 at 2:41 am

    * actually, I am glad people my age can vote. the kids all in my class are so oblivious to anything going on, that their votes on who has the hottest daughter for president would be senseless and rob america of a smarter election… not to mention most kids would just do as their mommies and daddies tell them to do

32. JD Says: September 24th, 2004 at 12:44 pm

    There is a reality in the Middle East that people need to accept. That is that Iraq will probably never be “secure”. As long as there are people willing to be manipulated into strapping a bomb to themselves and killing innocents this will be true. But that doesn’t mean Iraq is a failure. Look at Israel. Nobody would call that state, the only democracy in the middle east, a failure. But they cannot completely protect themselves from random violence. And Iraq never will either. But that will not be failure.

33. zoot potatoe Says: September 24th, 2004 at 11:54 pm

    it’d help if a bunch of countries decided to invade Iraq, then we help Iraq get more land and power… especially if the countries land we over take are in some key religous cities…

    to tell the truth, I believe the mostly origionally USA backed Isreal is what had spurred Arabic hatrid against USA before the Iraq war… As isreal to them is an invading country that probably wouldn’t be as big as it is now if it werent for USA helping them in wars to achieve some Islamic land surrounding them in the middle east

34. bonniem Says: October 11th, 2004 at 3:18 pm

    Guess you know by now that ABC has also put out a “momo” suggesting that Bush should be monitored carefully. Seems their opinion is that Bush is worse at inflating statements than Kerry. Another liberal network showing their true colors.

35. Anonymous Says: October 11th, 2004 at 7:28 pm

    Looks like nothing but good news out of Afghanistan. Wonder if that passes the “Global Test”?

36. zack Says: October 11th, 2004 at 7:41 pm

    Afghanistan? WHAT? Haven’t you been listening to Sen. Kerry? He saw Bin Laden there and all we did was use Afghani troops instead of Russian troops…. I mean we SHOULD have used French troo…, no wait yeah, ok it was in N. Korean that we had him cornered and let him go into the Nuclear labs. I mean Iran was suppose to help us with N. Korea and get Japan on our side in Tora-Bora…Is that what he said?

37. Anonymous Says: October 11th, 2004 at 9:02 pm

    All I know is that the Afghanistan story won’t be told by the networks because it would help Bush

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