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23 Responses to “Yes John, Keep jobs for Americans!”

1. herb Says: July 21st, 2004 at 6:39 pm

   The Heinz Trust, where she gets her money, holds a very small percentage of Heinz stock, so small that they are not even listed as a major stockholder in the company in the documents that list such things. To say she has anything to do with the management of Heinz is like saying I have something to do with the management of Intel or Exxon because of the shares I hold.

2. Emory Says: July 21st, 2004 at 7:56 pm

   That sounds like a nice arrangement: receive lots of cash but have no responsibility.

3. herb Says: July 21st, 2004 at 9:36 pm

   Yea, there are a lot of people like that out there too, with most conservatives wishing to preserve that lifestyle for them.

4. Emory Says: July 21st, 2004 at 9:45 pm

   Conservatives certainly want people to be rich. Taking individual responsibility has been one of the principle conservative tenets going back at least to Hoover.

5. herb Says: July 21st, 2004 at 11:14 pm

   Well, she belongs to that classknown as inheritance people. Someone else made the money and they benefit. So what personal responsibility concerning the Heinz corporation is she supposed to have? Are all Sam Walton’s heirs supposed to keep WalMart from buying most of their products from China? Are the inheritors of the Duke fortune personally responsible for tobacco illnesses? Are the Rockefellers still accountable for the price of gasor the pollution caused by oil companies? What is the responsibilty of the inheritors of wealth when they only inherit the money without any link to the machine that made the wealth? I am sure there are a lot of MIRC that will be supporting Bush this year. Will you be tearing them down also?

6. Emory Says: July 22nd, 2004 at 1:17 am

   Yes, I think I would feel an implied responsibility to an institution that gave me large amounts of funds, irregardless of whether it was inherited or not. Example: most people probably would feel a responsibility not to take funds from, say, the mafia or another unethical organization.

7. herb Says: July 22nd, 2004 at 2:03 pm

   That’s not what is being stated here. What is being said, or implied, is that John Kerry is making a big deal of outsourcing jobs overseas. his wife is named Heinz and that Heinz has a lot of overseas operations, ergo John Kerry is a hypocrite on the subject. My point is that even tho Theresa bears the name and her money came from Heinz, Theresa no management role in the company and, for approximately the last 10 years, has had very little stake in the company as shareholder. So, again I ask, what kind of influence are the Kerry’s supposed to have with the Heinz company that they could do anything about where the jobs go? Responsibility can be one thing, command, control or even influence are something else. A Heinz family member might even have some influence just because of his name but she wears the name thru marriage only and so has no actual relationship to the founders of the company. So she is only one of hundreds, maybe thousands, who have inherited wealth without any specfic responsibilities or duties attached to that wealth. I give her credit for the fact that she does not live an idle life with all that wealth but is active in running the Heinz philanthropic interests, which have nothing to do with the company, and being involved with social causes she feels imporpant. You may not agree with her views but you can’t say she is irresponsibly rich tho she does have the aboility to be so.

8. Emory Says: July 22nd, 2004 at 4:20 pm

   The only reference made to the article was to point out that if Mrs. Kerry was a shareholder, then she bore some responsibility. I’m more concerned about what John Kerry will do if he’s elected president.

9. herb Says: July 22nd, 2004 at 4:38 pm

   My question is, responsibility for what? The article makes it sound as if the Kerry’s have something to do the fact that Heinz has overseas operations. This is obviously not the case so what kind of responsibility are you talking about? What kind of responsibility does anyone that is a shareholder in a company have? What kind of responsibility does anyone who inherits great wealth have? I respect the fact you worry about Kerry’s policies and am willing to listen to legitimate reasons for those worries. My starting point here tho was that the original article was a specious attack on Kerry based on his wife’s married name and trying to insinuate that he had control over something he he didn’t and thereby “proving” he speaks out of both sides of his mouth. I am sure that, as a politician, there are enough actual sample of him doing this that made up ones aren’t necessary.

10. Bob Says: July 22nd, 2004 at 8:10 pm

    The could sell their stock andinvest in a company that operates in the States if Heinz isn’t any benifit to them.

11. Anonymous Says: July 27th, 2004 at 5:32 am

    Heinz is a global company, with 60% of its sales coming from foreign markets. They aren’t “outsourcing” American jobs, they’re localizing their production in the places where they do business because, as a food company, it would make little sense for them to do otherwise. If they made all of their products in the US and shipped them abroad, not only would it would cost them a lot more money, their products wouldn’t be as fresh when they got to market.

    This stuff about the Heinz Corporation and its so-called “outsourcing” is a red herring — the real outsourcing issue in this election involves companies that produce goods and services for the AMERICAN market in other countries simply to exploit cheap foreign labor markets, and the Bush administration has been very vocal in saying that this type of outsourcing is somehow good for the people of this country, despite the scores of American workers that it has left unemployed.

12. zack Says: July 27th, 2004 at 2:00 pm

    Ok, ok my point about the connection to john-john is that he enjoys spending the money, coming from the profits of low-wage OUTSOURCED jobs, yet he criticizes The President for the loss of jobs. Has anyone ever heard him reference the company that paid for the mansions and jets he enjoys for not keeping the jobs here? “She’s merely a stockholder” won’t get it. Bill Gates is merely a stockholder in Microsoft. How many times have the dems referenced Halliburton and Cheney, simply because he was a FORMER employee? Yet, the current MAJORITY OWNER and NAMESAKE of a corporation is only “a stockholder”! As for Wal Mart and their practices of buying “Made in China” products, ok, let’s force the world’s largest retailer to pay union wages in the manufacturing business and subtract the profits they’ve made from that. This would force them to close…how many stores? And lay-off how many thousands of Americans?? Again, the point is Kerry can’t have it both ways! Those who live in glass houses….well you know.

13. DE Says: July 27th, 2004 at 11:20 pm

    Here are the facts, if you want to learn them, about Teresa Heinz Kerry, as related to that fictional piece about her:
    snopes.com/politics/
    kerry/tides.asp

    Here are a lot of pieces on John Kerry that may interest you:
    snopes.com/politics/
    kerry/kerry.asp#tides

    Even the regular Republicans (who I actually respect) have got bent out of shape from all the lies told in pieces like this, which have been used successfully for many decades as instruments for disinformation and propaganda.

    Perhaps “Sponge Bob, Square Pants” is a hero to a multitude in our country. Why?

    The makers of this nonsense realize that a large number of Americans soak up lies like those like sponges, without checking if it is false or true, and then when it comes time to vote it is too late, and the masses have been snookered or duped again by those who wish to remain in positions “of power” by using deceit, trickery and lies.

    Speaking of deceit, trickery and lies, if you have not watched the video of the Theft of the Presidency, you should. It is by Greg Palast of the BBC. Greg is author of the New York Times bestseller, The Best Democracy Money Can Buy. Subscribe to his writings for Britain’s Guardian newspapers, and view his investigative reports for BBC Television’s Newsnight, at: GregPalast.com.

    For the full video, go to:
    news.bbc.co.uk/
    olmedia/cta/
    progs/newsnight/
    palast.ram

    For the full transcripts, please go to:
    news.bbc.co.uk/1/
    hi/events/
    newsnight/1174115.stm

    Additional Information:

    Black Box voting
    blackboxvoting.com

    House of Bush, House of Saud
    houseofbush.com

    Take Back The Media!
    takebackthemedia.com/

    Cost of War in Iraq
    costofwar.com/

    Air America Radio
    airamericaradio.com/

    Former Vice Pres. Al Gore’s May 26th Speech on Iraq
    moveonpac.org/gore

14. DE Says: July 28th, 2004 at 9:46 am

    Do you have the courage to post my last post I made? The one with the links about Teresa and John? And, which has all those additional links at the bottom? Or are you a scaredy =^. .^= ??

15. DE Says: July 28th, 2004 at 6:15 pm

    Thank you, site owner and bless you, for posting all the comments I have submitted to this bb.

    People may not always agree on what is the truth, but in the long run that matters not, considering that at the time of one’s “passing over” one faces the music and is judged for what they did or did not do in their life.

    I bless the site owner, for respecting my right to free speech.

16. herb Says: July 29th, 2004 at 5:42 pm

    Zack,

    Do you do any research? Bill Gates is the major stockholder in Microsoft. He has a say in what goes on because he can vote his shares and they make a difference. Theresa Heinz Kerry is not only NOT THE MAJOR STOCKHOLDER in Heinz but her trust fund sold most of what shares they did have almost 10 years ago. If they have any left the amount is so small she doesn’t even have to be listed as a major stockholder on SEC documents. Even the Heinz company themselves say she is in no way, shape or form involved with the company. Your desire to trash Kerry without even doing any research and to pull so called “facts” out of thin air makes any argument you put forth suspect. You disagree with his policies, that’s fine, but all you are doing with this kinds of attack is proving that you haven’t got a clue about economics and the stock market so how can you judge who will be a better president in that respect?

17. Ken Says: July 29th, 2004 at 8:22 pm

    Whether they have management responsibilty or not, their pockets are being lined with millions of dollars, from jobs that were placed overseas. How could they be wailing about the “problem” of jobs going overseas at the same time they are benefiting so handsomely from it? Maybe if someone were really convicted about jobs leaving the country, they should sell their stock (because afterall, they are disgusted by this, right?)and invest it in a company like the afore mentioned Walmart who refuses to import!?! For the Kerry’s to say, “Sorry, we don’t have any option but to accept these millions of dollars from the backs of foreign workers” is actually quite hypocritical! But then, he does flip-flop a lot. Maybe he is still undecided on this issue….

18. herb Says: July 29th, 2004 at 9:02 pm

    Is anybody reading? MOST OF HER HEINZ STOCK WAS SOLD ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO. What she may have, if any, is such a small portion that it isn’t even required to be reported on SEC documents. Also she doesn’t even manage her own money, that is done for her by Mellon Financial. Oh Gee, Mellon as in Richard Mellon Scaife. I guess his bank is keeping that money in Heinz just so they can embarrass the Kerrys.

19. zack Says: July 30th, 2004 at 2:06 pm

    Yes, most of the stock in Heinz hasn’t belonged to the Heinz family for years. Which means that she is not responsible for the actions of the company. Thank you…..NOW, (hee, hee)let’s talk Cheney and Halliburton again! Huh? let’s hear how the fact that he USED to head the company means that he is STILL IN CONTROL! I think I’ll go play marbles, you’re is too easy.

20. herb Says: July 30th, 2004 at 10:22 pm

    Zack,

    ’scuse me? Noone says Cheney is responsible for what happens at Haliburton as your argument against Kerry did. The arguments I hear are that Haliburton is given special consideration because of Cheney’s strong connections to them and that he is responsible for that. Now since he only left them about 4 years ago I am sure most of the people running the company then are still there so I would say that Cheney still has strong connections to the company. Whether he uses his position to benefit them I don’t know but this should be a case of Caesar’s wife. You can’t even build a good strawman. Don’t know how you are going to play marbles since you seem to have lost yours.

21. Maverick Says: September 27th, 2004 at 4:04 pm

    LOL i like the strawman and marbles refrence!

22. Big mama T Says: September 28th, 2004 at 6:47 pm

    You little people are such fools. That is why you refuse to bow when I speak. You will get yours, you idiots. John & I know what is best for you peasants even though you do not. We long so for the good days, the European days of elegance when royalty was respected. Ants!!! Insects!!! Middle class riff-raff. You make fun of us because we do not pay taxes on my $3.2 billion in assets. You make fun of us because we pay the bare minimum of 0.983% in taxes on my $80M/yr income while I support a 30% tax on any family earning over $100,000. You ignorant scum. I suport the outsourcing of all the Heinz manufacturing plants and their thousands of jobs so that my income will grow even more while my husband tells you about all the bad outsourcing plotted by evil US corporations. Worship me and my waned beauty or I’ll get you my pretty, and your little dog too!

23. Bill Neyman Says: October 16th, 2004 at 6:38 pm

    THIS IS NOT AN EXAMPLE OF OUTSOURCING!!!
    Almost since the founding of the company, Heinz has manufactured in foreign countries products intended for consumption in those countries. Outsourcing would be moving jobs manufacturing products intended for the US market to another country. The jobs represented by these foreign subsidiaries have never been in the US, so it is wrong to say that they have been outsourced. So, in addition to the established fact that Mrs. Kerry has no management role or major stock position in the Heinz company, the implied claim that they are outsourcing is also false. If want to laugh at liberals, you’re going to need much better material than this.

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