You Might Be A Liberal If…

By: Michael Bauman,
Ever since Michael Dukakis suffered a terrible drubbing at the polls for flashing his ACLU card in public and for identifying himself as a liberal without embarrassment, the dreaded “L” word has fallen into wide disfavor, even disrepute. Some liberal politicians, like Bill Clinton, don’t like to use it all. Nevertheless, it’s still possible to know who’s a liberal and who is not.

You might be a liberal if . . .

You think that consenting adults can engage freely in every activity except capitalism.

You named your children Moonglow and Arizona.

You think the really alarming violence takes place outside the abortion clinic.

You’ve ever referred to the “root cause” of something.

You pray to “The Woman Upstairs.”

You think we never gave peace a chance.

You had to be told that “Manhattan,” “menopause” and “boycott” were not sexist words

You begin sentences with the words “I feel.”

Your driver’s license has a hyphen because for you one last name just isn’t enough.

You don’t think “All in the Family” is a very funny program, but watch it anyway because Meathead makes a lot of sense.

You think OJ is out looking for the real killers.

You think Julia Sugarbaker is an astute social commentator.

You think it takes a village.

You think that the words “to promote the general welfare” in the Constitution mean to promote welfare generally.

You think that, even though more people voted against him than for him in both the 1992 and the 1996 presidential elections, Bill Clinton had a mandate.

You think that conservatives, like preservatives, ought to be federally regulated.

You ever wore earth shoes.

You have ever wondered out loud, “Why can’t we all just get along?”

You think the New York Times prints all the news that’s fit.

You think that Rush Limbaugh is just an entertainer.

You spent Columbus Day reading Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee.

You reach the limits of your talent and then complain that you ran into a glass ceiling.

You wear more ribbons on your lapel than in your hair.

You think that the really dangerous McCarthy was Joe, not Eugene.

You blame the Unabomber’s parents.

You fail to see the connection between Lenin and Lennon.

You have ever agreed with Martin Sheen or Barbra Streisand.

Posted by zack on October 13th, 2004 in Articles, Jokes |

272 Responses to “You Might Be A Liberal If…”

  1. Some Fellow Says: October 13th, 2004 at 7:09 pm

    First.

    You know you’re a liberal if…
    your emotions run high and you break out into tears after watching the latest racist, sexist and pro-war Bush State of the Union address.
    you believe that commanding civilians is just the same as commanding soldiers.
    when discussing politics you sob when the poor SOB doesn’t see the light.

  2. Some Fellow Says: October 13th, 2004 at 7:10 pm

    you actually read Bill Clinton’s book.

  3. Koby Keller Says: October 13th, 2004 at 7:33 pm

    you might be a liberal if you would save a deer but kill a baby

  4. Working american Says: October 13th, 2004 at 8:37 pm

    if you think JFK did something for this country

  5. JD Says: October 14th, 2004 at 4:28 pm

    You might be a liberal if you think rumors are only rumors when they’re about Democrats. Rumors about Republicans are just “all the news that’s fit to print.”

  6. chris giegel Says: October 14th, 2004 at 8:46 pm

    u might be a liberal if u think that “violence never solves anything”

  7. Halfbaked Mark Says: October 17th, 2004 at 2:36 am

    You might be a liberal if… you think money is evil.

  8. Some Fellow Says: October 17th, 2004 at 4:38 pm

    you stepped in front of a tree to save it from a bull dozer, then blamed the Republican gov’t.

  9. righty Says: October 18th, 2004 at 1:04 am

    if you think michael moore is patriotic, rather then the traitor that he is. you believe that kerry will win!

  10. Dani Says: October 18th, 2004 at 2:06 am

    I am a liberal and I stumbled onto this site, but I looked around because I was intrigued by the title, “Laugh at Liberals.” You have some things wrong in the article, “You Might Be a Liberal if…” first of all, not a lot of liberals believe OJ Simpson didn’t kill his wife(we’re not retarded.) Second, I don’t think Rush Limbaugh is an entertainer, I think he’s an asshole. If your still reading this (I doubt you are, because conservatives don’t listen) this article portrays liberals as dumb, uneducated, tree huggers. But if any of you rednecks could open your eyes you would realize we are much more intelligent than you think, because unlike the followers of this website, we are not told what to think. If you have read up to here, I’m very proud of you (I didn’t know you guys could read this far!) I want you to know one simple fact, loyalist of this website are probably loyal to the one and only, Bill O’Reily of The O’Reily Factor. I watch The Daily Show with John Stewart (a liberal media). It may surprise you that there was a study between these two media and it concluded that viewers of The Daily Show are three times more educated then those of The O’Reily Factor.

  11. bonniem Says: October 18th, 2004 at 2:33 am

    Just a minute! Dani, You think Jon Stewart is liberal? I have been seeing where some of his “people” are laughing because they make things up and yet more people say they get their news there than from any of the news channels. (any of the real news channels).

  12. stephanie Says: October 18th, 2004 at 3:38 am

    You think that all conservatives are rednecks? Well, you’re sadly mistaken! You would like to just put us all into one group but you really can’t when you have the sense to know that conservatives are people with morals, common sense and brains to go along with it! About you’re comment that conservatives don’t listen, well I read your stupid little comment,because I do listen. I don’t think liberals are stupid, I think that they are awful people, plain and simple. That study of those shows you were talking about was , of course, biased, like everything else you fill your little head with. I’m glad I got to read your comments,Dani, because they gave this conservative a good laugh!Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha!

  13. Patrick Says: October 18th, 2004 at 4:57 am

    I’d be a conservative, if I could afford it…and if I had time to preach to everyone who believes in a different God than I do

  14. draco Says: October 18th, 2004 at 6:00 am

    Ideological hatred of whites is now a growth industry, boosted by “civil rights” activists and liberal academics. These once-youthful radicals, now entrenched in positions of power and influence, peddle a warmed-over version of the Marxist creed that supported the communist empire and excuses intolerance to the point of murder. Betraying the legacy of Martin Luther King, this unholy alliance of black civil rights leaders and white radicals threatens to undermine America’s moral, political, and economic institutions.

    Mr. Horowitz acknowledges that America’s unique political culture is the creation of white European males, primarily English and Christian. But these very men and their heirs have led the world in abolishing slavery and establishing the principles of ethnic and racial inclusion. Undeterred, so it seems, by America’s Anglo-Saxon roots, people of every race and creed still flock by the millions to these shores, claiming a share of our unparalleled rights and opportunities. Yet, with staggering hypocrisy, a clique of racial warlords and academic malcontents indict our every institution for racial oppression.

  15. draco Says: October 18th, 2004 at 6:13 am

    you know you’re a liberal if:
    1) youre a schmuck (your wife is sleeping around and you’re too big of a pussy to do anything about it)
    2) you think michael moore is a patriot and not a traitor
    3) you think bill maher is politically incorrect
    4) you think saddam hussein has no terrorist connections
    5) you think cowardice is a virtue
    6) you think americans are opressed
    7) you drive an SUV with a Kerry/Edwards sticker while talking on your cel phone and disrupting traffic bitching about how isolated we are
    8) you think germany and france have moral authority
    9) you don’t even know what the third caliphate is
    10) you make the upper class bracket tax cut, but don’t refuse it!
    11) you’re a girlie man

  16. draco Says: October 18th, 2004 at 6:31 am

    liberals never, ever take me on- they dare not- I invite them to try and match wits with me. I wish to be the forensics heavyweight for the next era- bring it on- I’ll leave you in your puddle of tears. I know every one of their tactics because I’m a reformed liberal- I’ve repented. “Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains. ”
    Winston Churchill, Sir (1874-1965)
    So glad I found my “home” at last, with the intelligent, rational, logical and productive right wing. I love it.

  17. draco Says: October 18th, 2004 at 6:51 am

    You might be a liberal if….
    1) you are jewish and oppose the war in Iraq
    2) you are white and you hate white people
    3) you are black and hate white people
    4) you are a man and you hate yourself
    5) you hate your dad
    6) someone offers you a Draught and you head for canada
    7) you’re a woman and you don’t shave
    8) you think tofu is food
    9) you think the grateful dead are good
    10) you think the daily show is “news”
    11) you’ve ever hired gloria allred

    oh lord- this is too much fun!
    gimme some feedback! am I striking any chords here!

  18. Serbian National Says: October 18th, 2004 at 3:27 pm

    The Daily Show is a comedy, you damned fool.

    You have some very nice ones in there, draco. The first set of 1-11 is my favorite.

  19. draco Says: October 18th, 2004 at 5:34 pm

    who, exactly, is the damned fool comment directed at Serbian National?

  20. zack Says: October 18th, 2004 at 6:04 pm

    …draco, I think Serbian National’s comment was in answer to Dani who says that he gets his news from The Daily Show.

  21. draco Says: October 18th, 2004 at 6:27 pm

    good, zack- cause I’m in a fighting mood. right on Serb. Nat., glad to be of service. I had two cousins over there and they were happy to help- they know there are people all over the world who know there are many of us who really do want everyone to have the same opportunities and freedom we do.
    -yours in Democracy

  22. Serbian National Says: October 18th, 2004 at 6:44 pm

    Correct, my comment was directed at Dani, who cited the Daily Show as a source of information.

    Sorry if I wasn’t clear about that.

  23. Matt Says: October 18th, 2004 at 6:57 pm

    You know… I see a trend among ignorant liberals. Just watch, from visiting numerous sites, how many ignorant libs use the word “redneck”

  24. bonniem Says: October 18th, 2004 at 9:02 pm

    I thought liberals were so open minded they judged no one except conservatives. Saying are conservatives are rednecks is like saying all liberals are in show business.

  25. bonniem Says: October 18th, 2004 at 9:09 pm

    Sorry, typo there, should have been,
    “saying all” conservatives, etc.

  26. stephanie Says: October 20th, 2004 at 2:46 am

    Draco is a formeer liberal activist , so that means that he does NOT know what he is talking about. Liberals are funny and I’ll smile when Draco takes the bait on this comment!

  27. draco Says: October 20th, 2004 at 4:08 am

    chomp chomp stephers…
    ready for round one?
    the fact that I’m a former lib means a few things:
    1 I know how you think
    2 I have all the facts and all the fiction
    3 I used to react instead of investigate
    4 you are toast
    5 I agree, liberals are funny! thus, the name of the site!
    -kisses dahling!

  28. fisherman Says: October 20th, 2004 at 5:23 pm

    It’s no surprise that Dani toughts his education as a defense of liberals. He says that people who watch Stewart are more educated that people who watch O’Reilly. Well, I’ve got news for you, that’s because so many liberals that can’t make it in the business world wind up seeking teaching jobs in our universities. They spew their liberal agenda at young minds, many of which are looking for some escape from their parents rules. Many students swallow the liberal agenda for a while, because they haven’t seen enough of life to be able to discern the truth for themselves. The Churchill quote is so appropriate. These “educated people” follow the liberal philosophy blindly without ever realizing the blatant falsehoods in what they have been told. Once they matured and lived long enough to see the truth, many of them abandon the liberal lies.

    If you ever encountered a pacifist, socialist, atheist, nothing is wrong there are only choices, government is inherently evil, religion is for stupid people, guns are evil, pot should be legalized, judges should legislate, taxes are not the people’s money professor while trying to gain an ecucation……………., you might be a liberal.

  29. Corinna Says: October 22nd, 2004 at 7:08 pm

    Dani, me thinks doth thou protest too much. If you don’t know what that means, you can ask this university educated, successful, non-racist, Rush Limbaugh, George Bush, compasionate, agree witht he war in Iraq, and who cares if Sadam has weapons of mass destruction, the world is a safer place without him, love life and freedom and know that only conservatives have the right solutions, which are based on the very values set out by Jesus, CONSERVATIVE. Thank you!

  30. Serbian National Says: October 22nd, 2004 at 7:37 pm

    Good ol’ Shakespeare.

    How can someone say we should have taken preemptive war against terrorists and then say that preemptive war against Hussein is wrong?

  31. Serbian National Says: October 22nd, 2004 at 7:55 pm

    Instead of my first use of war, I meant to say action. Sorry about that.

  32. bonniem Says: October 22nd, 2004 at 8:18 pm

    Dani, I read that article also. But some who watch the “Daily Show” think it is real news. They make things up to put on there to be funny. So surely if the people who watch that are smarter than the people who watch O’Rielly, the know to not compare the Daily show to a fact driven news program.

  33. Rebecca DeWinter Says: October 24th, 2004 at 6:34 pm

    Drayco,

    I’m not a liberal, but I don’t know what the “third caliphate” is - can you enlighten me? And, I’d make a condescending remark to Dani too, but I doubt she’ll check back at this site. For some reason I got the impression Dani is a she - does that make me sexist?

    Thanks!

  34. Serbian National Says: October 25th, 2004 at 6:54 pm

    I was just on JohnKerry.com, looking at some of the comments on the blogs. I swear, some of those people cannot be old enough to vote! That is the biggest bunch of slobbering idiots that I have ever seen on the internet, and that is saying something! They misspell reason (rasone), and their grammar is terribly discombobulated - sometimes beyond recognition! Boy howdy, that was quite the trip, and now I know why I’m a conservative.

  35. stephanie Says: October 26th, 2004 at 3:25 am

    To Draco:
    Did you say “Stephers” because you did not know how to spell what was right in front of you? What kind of nickname is that? And yes, I AM ready for round 1. You actually do NOT know how I think, silly dahling! Gee, I wonder how I am going to argue with an idiot, but it should be fun!

  36. Emory Says: October 26th, 2004 at 4:30 am

    Woohoo! stephanie vs. Draco. Can’t wait for this. Round 1 should make for an interesting scrap.

  37. steve Says: October 26th, 2004 at 6:31 am

    My money is squarly on Draco. So far Stephers just opted for the famous “no, your a (insert Dracos witty rejoinder and clever ad homenium here).” Wow this isnt even going to be a fight.

    Now Dani, you may want to first get an education and then come back to pose a fight. Cuz right now, judging by your feeble attack, today doesnt look like your day. Next week doesnt look so good either.

  38. Serbian National Says: October 26th, 2004 at 2:17 pm

    My money’s on Draco as well, and his infamous “Third Caliphate.” If you don’t know what it is, look it up!

  39. Serbian National Says: October 26th, 2004 at 2:37 pm

    “You actually do NOT know how I think, silly dahling! ”
    I do believe we all know how you think, because you fit the mold of the fanatical, misinformed liberal.

    “Gee, I wonder how I am going to argue with an idiot, but it should be fun!”
    Once again we see the typical liberal namecalling taking the place of actual facts or, God forbid, action.

  40. stephanie Says: October 26th, 2004 at 11:18 pm

    Wait, I just read Serbian National’s comment about me(#39).I’m not even a liberal!Get it straight! You have no idea what you are talking about! Ha,ha!

  41. Brooks Says: October 26th, 2004 at 11:28 pm

    You are a liberal if you think that the UN ever gets anything done.

  42. Allison Says: October 29th, 2004 at 3:35 pm

    Draco, I like you because you can spell and have excellent command of the language. I wonder how old you are, because your quote intrigued me. I too was a liberal when I was young (had lots of heart) and became a conservative as I got older (found my brain), but now that I’m getting older still, I find that I’m swinging toward liberalism again. Let me clarify: I have very conservative values and there’s a lot about liberals that I don’t like. But I especially don’t like partisanship, and I don’t believe conservatism necessarily equates to Republicanism. I don’t like how Republicans and right wingers in general use their conservative views to judge people in whose shoes they have never walked. Very un-Jesus-like. I think it takes heart AND brains to get it right and why aren’t we capable of both in this country? All this fighting, arguing and name-calling seems ugly and senseless to me. Instead of polarizing ourselves on petty and not-so-petty differences, wouldn’t it make more sense to try to find ways to be in agreement so we can accomplish some good for all those concerned? We don’t want another civil war in this country, do we?

  43. Republican 4 ever Says: October 29th, 2004 at 4:12 pm

    We are so divided right now it’s not even funny.
    we’re not even arguing about issues anymore. It’s Right wing against the Left..I don’t hate liberals…I do dislike the extreme bongo/legalizepot/etc ones…but I also dislike the ones too far on the right…
    We’re not that different really but we’re so angry we’re making it worse…

  44. Allison Says: October 29th, 2004 at 4:15 pm

    no wonder we look so bad to the rest of the world.

  45. Allison Says: October 29th, 2004 at 4:25 pm

    How can we, who say we value freedom, be so condemning of our own neighbors just for having a different opinion? You’d think that in America of all places we would have learned tolerance by now, especially in the arena of ideas. This isn’t an election to find the right leader for this country, it’s become a wrestling match to see who gets to wear the belt and look like the biggest bully (and fool).

  46. Republican 4 ever Says: October 29th, 2004 at 4:30 pm

    Does anyone think we should have some sort of law on political ads that attack the other party. Both parties are using scare tactics etc…
    How about you can’t talk about the other party at all..all you can do is promote your own platform and you make your stand on the ISSUES!! we’de still have the 2 candidates duking it out during the debates…

  47. Allison Says: October 29th, 2004 at 4:41 pm

    Of course you are right, that’s how a political campaign should be run, but the problem is, they’re more concerned with winning (by whatever means necessary) than they are with being right. That’s why they distort facts and lie outright and attack each other so shamelessly. Why would you want to win by default( the other guy’s no good) than win on your own merit? Makes no sense to me. Just state the issues and your plans to make this country better and then let the people decide.

  48. Allison Says: October 29th, 2004 at 4:43 pm

    And you’re right, a law like that would be the greatest improvement in the political process this country has ever seen.

  49. Republican 4 ever Says: October 29th, 2004 at 4:52 pm

    What do you think of the Colorado situation? They’ll give a proportional number of electoral votes…

  50. Republican 4 ever Says: October 29th, 2004 at 4:56 pm

    It burns me to see TV ads on the candidates army service etc…it also burns me to have the candidates give me out of context numbers on how many times they voted on something: ”My opponent voted to raise taxes on bananas 58 million times”
    …

  51. Republican 4 ever Says: October 29th, 2004 at 4:57 pm

    Where you at JD???

  52. JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 6:24 pm

    OK R4 you can relax I am here. Free speech is free speech, you can’t tell people what to say. You could, however put a time limit on the campaign to at least spare us this agony. Maybe 6 months.

  53. JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 6:26 pm

    But Allison sometimes the issue is the other guy. Kerry says he would do pretty much all the same things as Bush only better. The anybody but Bush crowd is the biggest force behind Kerry.

  54. Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 29th, 2004 at 7:30 pm

    When you opponent is a fascist war criminal, that tends to motivate you to defeat him. The ‘anybody but bush’ phenomenon really means ‘anybody but a fascist, lying, dry drunk, Orwellian war criminal.’ People who compare Bush to Hitler are indeed overstating the case. Bush isn’t Hitler. Bush is Mussolini. Il Duce has been reincarnated as Il Dubya.

    That being said, John Kerry is a fine candidate, who will be one of our greatest presidents ever if he’s even able to stop the hemmhoraging the Religious Right Radical Republicans have caused.

  55. JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 7:36 pm

    Ferguson you shouldn’t be talking about kool-aid my sick friend.

  56. JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 7:42 pm

    Why don’t you liberals save the ‘veins popping out of your necks’ rants for the liberal blogs. They appreciate that brain dead stuff.

  57. Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 29th, 2004 at 7:55 pm

    I’m a life-long Libertarian conservative. Not a liberal. You fascist lemmings need to get a grip on reality. If describing yourselves as fascist is too much ‘hard work’ for you, then a more polite way of putting it would be fundamentalist Christian neo-cons. What other words begin with neo- ???? Hmmm, I can’t think of any offhand, can you?

  58. Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 29th, 2004 at 7:59 pm

    Funny, I submit post-after-post of substantive criticism of Il Dubya and not one conservative can articulate valid counterarguments. All you want to do is have a pissing contest. What miserable little lives you must lead when you would rather stay deluded, misled and betrayed than to face the reality that you supported the wrong guy in 2000, that his administration has been the worst in American history, and that it’s time for a change.

  59. Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 29th, 2004 at 7:59 pm

    make that “conservative”

  60. JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 8:06 pm

    Ferguson you haven’t said one thing substantial. You are a legend in your own mind. Why don’t you save that textbook taught psuedo intellectual crap for somebody who will fall for it. You don’t even know what fascism is you piss ant.

  61. Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 29th, 2004 at 8:12 pm

    JD, I know very well what fascism is, and we are almost there.

  62. JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 8:14 pm

    If you did know what fascism was and could appreciate the implications of what it means you wouldn’t use that term so loosely.

  63. Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 29th, 2004 at 8:19 pm

    14 defining characteristics of fascism:

    1. Powerful and continuing nationalism.

    Check.

    2. Disdain for the recognition of human rights.

    Check.

    3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause.

    Check.

    4. Supremacy of the military.

    Getting there.

    5. Rampant sexism

    Well, this one doesn’t apply. If you want to argue we’re not drifting towards fascism because we don’t have rampant sexism, you go ahead.

    6. Controlled mass media

    Getting there, FoxNews, CNN, MSNBC, other networks slowly drifting towards full control by Dubya and cronies.

    7. Obsession with national security.

    Check.

    8. Religion and government are intertwined.

    If Republican zealots had there way, absolutely. Slowly drifting in that direction.

    9. Corporate power is protected.

    Check.

    10. Labor power is suppressed.

    Check.

    11. Disdain for intellectuals and the arts.

    Check.

    12. Obsession with crime and punishment.

    That’s certainly a long-time Republican theme, yes.

    13. Rampant cronyism and corruption.

    Check.

    14. Fraudulent elections.

    Check. 2000 anyone?

    13 for 14, that’s pretty conclusive.

  64. Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 29th, 2004 at 8:21 pm

    I got those defining characteristics here http://www.couplescompany.com/Features/Politics/Structure3.htm

    about 1/3 of the way down the page.

  65. JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 8:24 pm

    You college guys make me laugh. You get a little education, maybe have a socialist, has been hippy prof who longs for the 60’s and fills your head with this shit while you share a dooby and you think you know what is what. Then you spit out nonsense about fascism and despotism and the military industrial complex and you think you nailed it. What crap!

  66. JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 8:28 pm

    You college boys kill me. You get a little education, maybe split a dooby with a has been over the hill hippy prof who longs for the sixty’s then start spouting bullshit about fascism and the military industrial complex and you think you nailed it. You are a useful idiot, Ferguson. Do you know what that means?

  67. JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 8:33 pm

    You know you guys still think Nixon is alive. You long for the days when it was that simple. And you wish it was that way again.

  68. Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 29th, 2004 at 8:43 pm

    Nope, I wish Nixon was still alive. Bush makes Nixon look like Mother Teresa. I don’t do drugs. I don’t drink the Kool-Aid.

  69. Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 29th, 2004 at 8:48 pm

    So anyway, enough of your attempts to divert attention from the issue, JD. There are 3 logical possibilities.

    1. You don’t think my ‘defining characteristics of fascism’ are valid. If so, explain why, or define it for yourself in a credible way.

    2. You disagree that in the USA today, a majority of those characteristics apply and the rest are drifting in that direction because of the policies of your party.

    3. You are a fascist. Your party is fascist. You don’t care, you’re happy to admit it.

    So which of the 3 is it?

  70. JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 8:48 pm

    Ferguson: You must be to young. Useful Idiots was the term Lenin used to describe the american communists.

  71. JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 8:50 pm

    I don’t agree any of your assertions that Bush fits the bill. You haven’t given a single example that would convince me otherwise. Period

  72. JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 8:52 pm

    I wish a guy like you could have lived under a real fascist government. Then maybe you would realise how ridiculous your assertion is.

  73. JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 8:55 pm

    And you do drink the kool-aid. It is the red kind.

  74. Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 29th, 2004 at 8:58 pm

    Actually, useful idiots is the term that Cheney uses to describe lower middle class and poor Republicans.

    Specifically JD, which of the 14 do you most strongly disagree with? I’ll walk through them with you one at a time.

  75. maureen Says: October 29th, 2004 at 8:59 pm

    Here’s a brief definition of liberalism: a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties (’C’ of Websters dictionary.)
    The people on this site have distorted what it means to be liberal, and have created and implemented their own stereotypes to construct their biased views. We truly are slipping rapidly into a fascist government with the Bush administration- educate yourselves.

  76. JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:00 pm

    You know what Ferguson you made me think of something. Since Kerry says we removed Sadamm illegally(sans the UN) maybe if he wins he will put him back in power. Then we can ship you over there and you can experience a real fascist dictatorship. It can be like a field trip.

  77. Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:01 pm

    Let’s see. Let’s start with number 1.

    JD, are you ignorant enough to believe that the Republican party is not uber-Nationalist? Or do you concede that that single characteristic certainly applies?

  78. JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:03 pm

    Back up Ferguson, what is uber-Nationalst? I missed that class.

  79. Republican 4 ever Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:03 pm

    Ouch guys!! Ferguson really put it clearly right there!! hahaha…Fascism! Maybe the term is a lil’strong but it does apply to many aspects of this administration. Instead of just blindly rooting for the Republican party we should ask if what they are doing is right..thats all! You won’t be a traitor if you ask yourself questions…
    If you can’t acknowledge that Bush must be one of the worst presidents/politicians we ever had then you just won’t see the facts…Truth is I’m thinking of not voting this year or going Democrat…at least when we can come up with a decent candidate (with integrity please)…for now id rather go for the Ketchup fortune than the oil fortune…ketchup interests seem less dangerous in this context…

  80. JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:05 pm

    Hey R4 is back. Good, now I have two to fight.

  81. Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:06 pm

    Wake up folks. It’s 1932 in Germany again. Not a perfect analogy, but close enough. Educate yourselves. Turn off FoxNews, CNN, FreeRepublic. Learn the truth. Don’t drink the Kool-Aid!

  82. Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:07 pm

    Now you have two to fight? No, judging from your behavior so far now you have two to run away from.

  83. Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:09 pm

    uber:

    Main Entry: uber-
    Function: prefix
    Definition: the highest or most extreme of its kind: ubernerd; to an extreme degree: ubercool; also spelled über-
    Etymology: German über: over, beyond; related to English over

    uber-nationalist:

    In other words, extremely nationalist.

  84. JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:09 pm

    Common Ferguson here is your chance. Educate me. What is uber-something?

  85. JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:11 pm

    And how does that apply to Bush?

  86. Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:17 pm

    Let me ask you a question, JD. If you could turn back time, bring 1100 Americans back to life, restore health and limbs to another 5000 or 6000 Americans, take tons of explosives out of the hands of terrorists, bring 100,000 innocent Iraqi civilians back from the dead, restore America’s credibility and respect in the world, return 220 billion dollars to the american treasury (and over time, the american taxpayer,) all for the life of one evil scumbag and his two evil sons, would you make that trade? Because I am proud to say, yes dam*it, I would, because that whole damn country isn’t worth one American grunt.

  87. Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:20 pm

    JD, I’m not so good at remedial education. If you don’t know what nationalism is and can’t see how nationalist your party is, I urge you to educate yourself. When you do, and you’re ready to concede that point, we can move on to number 2 on the list.

  88. JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:22 pm

    Ferguson: Knowing what we know now I would not be in favor of going into Iraq. But that does not make it the wrong thing to do and that does not make Bush a fascist. He did what he did for valid reasons and that has not changed.

  89. JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:27 pm

    Wrong Ferguson. I am not nationalistic. I am not an America first kind of guy. I don’t drape myself in the flag. Many people in the Republican party are nationalistic but not to the extent you envision. You are confusing self interest with nationalism and it does not rise to the level you think. And if you truly knew what fascism was you wouldn’t think what you do.

  90. Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:33 pm

    Knowing what we know now is exactly what makes it the wrong thing to do. Or do you disagree with it because it was the right thing to do?

    The Republican party is first and foremost a nationalist party. That’s why they wear the flag on their lapels. That’s why they had their convention in New York. That’s why they have embraced the imperialist fascist doctrine of unilateral preemptive strike. Don’t drink the Kool-Aid!

  91. Allison Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:34 pm

    Ferguson, you and R4 have it right, JD just sounds like Bush, sticking to his guns on principle, but there IS no real principle, he’s just afraid that to ask questions of himself would make him appear weak, appear to be backing down, and so he (Bush, JD, other Republicans) find it easier to belittle those who oppose him (them) than to substantially defend his (their) position. And JD, did you at one time live under fascist rule (as you wish on Ferguson) so that you know better than anyone else what is or isn’t fascism?

  92. JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:37 pm

    No Allison I have never lived under a fascist government and neither have you, Ferguson or R4. That is why it is a ridiculous claim to say we are now.

  93. JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:38 pm

    And I keep asking Ferguson to give me one example of what he means and he keeps giving me definitions. It doesn’t work that way.

  94. Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:40 pm

    JD, I think you’re on the wrong site. You should check out http://www.runawayandhidefromtrueconservatives.com or http://www.mutuallymasturbatewithfreepers.com Those are more down your alley, I think. I’m taking my country back from those fascists and their lemming sympathizers. You can be with me or against me.

  95. JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:41 pm

    Hey maybe Ferguson could go to Cuba. That is a workers paradise. They have socialized medicine and the whole bit.

  96. Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:43 pm

    I gave you several examples of nationalism. You don’t concede that your party, that constantly refers to 9/11 to scare people, that has adopted a unilateral preemptive strike military party, that has removed ‘Take Me Out to the Ballgame’ from the 7th inning stretch and replaced it with ‘God Bless America’ is nationalist. You’re delusional. You need immediate help to reverse the propaganda you’ve been exposed to. May I suggest http://www.bbc.com or http://www.salon.com

  97. Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:44 pm

    JD, the Red Scare ended 50 years ago. Is that all you’ve got?

  98. JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:44 pm

    Truth is folks life is all about compromise. I am not a big Bush fan. He has no fiscal discipline. But I think Kerry has no backbone, will cut and run in Iraq and no matter how you feel about being there, we have to do the right thing and finish the job.

  99. Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:45 pm

    Replace ‘military party’ with ‘military doctrine’ in 94; sorry, I typed too fast.

  100. Allison Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:45 pm

    R4, your last comment sounds like what went on in my head recently when I decided to vote Democrat for the first time in my life. I also went through a period of not voting because it just didn’t make sense to me to vote for the lesser of two evils, but now I see a need for a real change; waiting it out isn’t going to work. My years as a conservative right wing Republican are over. I am worse off today than I have ever been and so are many of my Republican relatives and friends. But more importantly, America has lost the respect it once commanded in the world, and I blame that on Bush. I’ll keep on paying exorbitant prices for gas, thank you very much, but in the meantime, pass the ketchup please.

  101. JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:47 pm

    So listen Fergy, you go ahead and vote libertarian. Perot your vote away if you want. I voted against Bill Clinton twice while holding my nose and I will do the same against Kerry.

  102. JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:49 pm

    Sorry Allison not buying it. You liberals all love to say you are born again conservatives who have seen the light. It doesn’t happen that way.

  103. Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:52 pm

    No fiscal discipline, he’s a ‘borrow and spend’ Republican.

    No moral fiber. Unfit for command. He showed that when he avoided service in Vietnam. He showed that when he abused alcohol and cocaine throughout his 20’s and 30’s. He showed that when he paid for his girlfriend to have an abortion when he was 25. He showed that when he was caught on a video in 1992 getting drunk, 6 years after he claims he quit drinking. He showed that when he made fun of a woman on death row pleading for her life. He showed that when he made jokes about the absence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq when American GI’s died looking for those weapons. He showed that when he hired Karl Rove, the most evil and sinister political operative since Joseph Goebbels. The guy who outed a CIA operative, jeopardizing her life and US national security in retaliation for her husband exposing this administration’s lies.

  104. Allison Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:52 pm

    No, JD, I don’t think Kerry will cut and run in Iraq. He knows a lot better than Bush what is required for a military victory, so he will finish the job(right), but at least he’s man enough to call a mistake a mistake, and I think the world will applaud him for that and offer their help. I think they might do the same for Bush if he wasn’t so arrogant in insisting that he’s right and he doesn’t need anyone’s help.

  105. Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:53 pm

    Well, JD, history clearly shows you were wrong to vote against Clinton, our greatest president to date. Now you’re going to be wrong again.

    At least you can say you’re consistent.

  106. JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:57 pm

    Clinton was a great president? I guess I should just rest my case now and go home.

  107. Allison Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:57 pm

    Sorry JD, but I KNOW what I am. I’m NOT a liberal in the far left sense, but I HAVE BEEN a conservative Republican for the last thirty years and I’M not buying it anymore. Don’t tell me it doesn’t happen that way…do you think YOU know my life and my mind and heart better than I do?

  108. JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:59 pm

    No Allison I just think you wiser as you get older. Not the other way.

  109. JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 10:01 pm

    But enough of this fun. The point is you have to choose. Choose a guy you don’t like or one you don’t trust. I know who I will pick.

  110. JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 10:03 pm

    But I will tell you a secret, Allison. I hope you are right about Kerry because he will probably win. And it will be a major disaster if we abandon Iraq.

  111. Allison Says: October 29th, 2004 at 10:07 pm

    I never liked Clinton while he was President (due to my Republican upbringing and programming) but now I recognize and appreciate him for what he was able to accomplish that no other president has done. So what if his morals weren’t perfect. Who IS perfect? But he was a great human being who didn’t pretend that he was something he wasn’t. And he did a good job at bringing people together to find a common ground, and he did so much more for our economy than Bush ever will, even if he gets another four years to try.

  112. Allison Says: October 29th, 2004 at 10:12 pm

    I agree JD, and I would rather choose someone I’m not sure I really like over someone I don’t trust. I don’t think Kerry will abandon Iraq because he won’t act alone or against advisement as Bush did. Kerry was right to protest Vietnam, and he’s right about Iraq too, but he did his duty nonetheless, and he knows what it takes to do the job right.

  113. JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 10:23 pm

    Ah, now we have it. You were programmed into being a Republican. A little late for an epiphany but ok I will accept that. Clinton was a moderate. He was lazy. He didn’t even submit a budget to congress in his last two years. My kind of guy actually. Gridlock works!

  114. JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 10:26 pm

    My real problem with Ferguson is I think he doesn’t understand what he is really saying. I would like that guy to spend just one hour with a few Jew’s who have their prison camp tatoo’s on their wrists and have them explain what fascism is.

  115. JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 10:28 pm

    Allison, read “Unfit for Duty” and then tell me you think John Kerry is qualified.

  116. Allison Says: October 29th, 2004 at 10:30 pm

    I guess I’m really a moderate too JD, but, being older now, I’ve walked a few more miles in other folks’ shoes and i have a little more compassion. Plus, even after going back to school to complete my education while parenting five kids, I find I am much worse off financially and i don’t think Bush cares. But back to Iraq. Read my comments under “white bridal dress” if you want to know why I think the way I do.

  117. Allison Says: October 29th, 2004 at 10:32 pm

    #6, 10, and 12-15.

  118. JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 10:43 pm

    Allison: With all due respect (I am the father of two kids in college) you seem to be falling prey to the one eyed conservative bogeyman the liberals love to scare people with. Compassion is a very dangerous word. More bad things have been done in the name of “compassion” throughout history then have ever been done in the name of self-interest.

  119. JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 10:46 pm

    In fact “for the greater good” has got to be one of the most infamous phrases ever used to justify the abuse of civil liberty and the rights of the individual.

  120. Allison Says: October 29th, 2004 at 10:51 pm

    yeah, but I don’t think it was democrats doing it!

  121. Allison Says: October 29th, 2004 at 10:52 pm

    now was it?

  122. JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 10:56 pm

    Democrats promote the concept of greater good. They see private property as an impediment to good “stewardship”. They think economic development is bad because it hurts the environment and uses up “scarce” resources.

  123. Allison Says: October 29th, 2004 at 10:56 pm

    in fact it seems to me that it’s the self-interested, self-righteous right wingers who PROCLAIM to be compassionate conservatives, but who are really the most critical, judgmental, hate-mongering bunch of folks I’ve ever known (next to terrorist groups, that is) who claim to love everyone and have God on their side to boot, but really want to do away with everyone who doesn’t think and believe like them. Does that ring any bells? And I used to BE one of them!!!

  124. JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 10:58 pm

    And best of all liberals see wealth as evil and it must be redistributed to be “fair”.

  125. JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 10:59 pm

    Boy you have hate alright but I don’t think you can blame it on conservatives.

  126. JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 11:02 pm

    Allison let me see if I have this right. You used to be a conservative and you hated liberals. But now you are a liberal and you hate conservatives. Do I see something wrong with this?

  127. Allison Says: October 29th, 2004 at 11:04 pm

    true compassion is a good thing. Self interest disguised as compassion is what’s dangerous. Self-interest is human nature, granted, so we’ve all got a little of that going for us. But there is such a thing as self-sacrifice for the greater good and most everyone practices that too to a greater or lesser degree(in families, for instance). But I don’t see Republicans doing much of it on a scale that does anything substantial for this nation.

  128. Allison Says: October 29th, 2004 at 11:07 pm

    I don’t hate anyone, JD, I’m just a mild-mannered protester who hates to see people misled and used and thwarted in their efforts to have a decent life.

  129. Allison Says: October 29th, 2004 at 11:14 pm

    You seem to have an odd perspective, a way of seeing things not quite as they are presented to you, drawing conclusions that are slightly off, not quite true. I recognize that because that was how i saw things for most of my life, taught that what is right in front of you is not really the truth, you have to read between the lines, question the motives. None of that makes sense to me any longer. Why look for trouble where there is none? Why make issues more complicated than they actually are?

  130. Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 29th, 2004 at 11:29 pm

    Check out this website and learn something, JD

  131. JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 11:30 pm

    Allison I disagree that conservatives are not a giving bunch. In fact I think that statistics will show that conservatives acutually give more of their incomes to charity than liberals. I know for sure conservatives don’t want the government to be the perveyor of largess that liberals do. This inevitably hurts people more than helps. Liberals alway want someone else to be the giver. Preferably the government with someonelse’s tax money. Compassion, without action, is a joke.

  132. JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 11:32 pm

    Fergy you admitting all your insight was copied from some website?

  133. JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 11:36 pm

    I am going to take a stab at this and guess that Ferguson is a polysci major at a one of our better liberal institutions out east. Am I right?

  134. Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 29th, 2004 at 11:45 pm

    No JD, I just found that website. Great minds think alike. I came to my conclusions independently.

    As you can see above, in my own analysis I discounted the effect of rampant sexism. Turns out I may have been wrong. But the website I just posted shows numerous instances of it and thinks it’s also a factor.

    Anyway, that’s my last post for today. Remember, Don’t Drink the Kool-Aid!

  135. JD Says: October 30th, 2004 at 12:43 am

    where did everybody go? I was just getting warmed up.

  136. Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 30th, 2004 at 7:52 am

    No JD, I’m just an average underemployed Joe who hasn’t lived up to his potential in Austin, TX.

  137. JD Says: October 30th, 2004 at 1:18 pm

    Ferguson I can’t believe you are continuing on with that fascist nonsense. You keep it up and you will make yourself irrelevant.

  138. Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 31st, 2004 at 8:56 am

    JD, you’re boring me with your inability to reason. Your party is fascist. I can’t help it if you’re too stupid or too big of a liar to see it.

  139. Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 31st, 2004 at 8:57 am

    Here are some interesting quotes from the Art of War by Sun Tzu. Apply them to Iraq and you see what a failure Il Dubya is.

    “There is no instance of a nation benefitting from prolonged warfare.”

    “Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.”

    “Unhappy is the fate of one who tries to win his battles and succeed in his attacks without cultivating the spirit of enterprise, for the result is waste of time and general stagnation.”

    “In the practical art of war, the best thing of all is to take the enemy’s country whole and intact; to shatter and destroy it is not so good.”

    “He who exercises no forethought but makes light of his opponents is sure to be captured by them.”

    “Do not press an enemy at bay.”

    “For to win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill.”

    He who is prudent and lies in wait for an enemy who is not, will be victorious.”

    “So there are five ways of knowing who will win. Those who know when to fight and when not to fight are victorious. Those who discern when to use many or few troops are victorious …”

    “So the important thing in a military operation is victory, not persistence.”

  140. Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 31st, 2004 at 9:02 am

    I guess you lemmings have heard about the loyalty oath they’re saying out loud at Bush rallies now. What a bunch of sheep!

  141. Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 31st, 2004 at 11:23 am

    From NY Times

    “You’d think that seeing Osama looking fit as a fiddle and ready for hate would spark anger at the Bush administration’s cynical diversion of the war on Al Qaeda to the war on Saddam. It’s absurd that we’re mired in Iraq - an invasion the demented vice president praised on Friday for its “brilliance” - while the 9/11 mastermind nonchalantly pops up anytime he wants. For some, it seemed cartoonish, with Osama as Road Runner beeping by Wile E. Bush as Dick Cheney and Rummy run the Acme/Halliburton explosives company - now under F.B.I. investigation for its no-bid contracts on anvils, axle grease (guaranteed slippery) and dehydrated boulders (just add water).”

    Beep-beep! Don’t drink the Kool-Aid!

  142. Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 31st, 2004 at 11:26 am

    From the New Yorker

    “In January, 2001, just after Bush’s inauguration, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office published its budget outlook for the coming decade. It showed a cumulative surplus of more than five trillion dollars. At the time, there was a lot of talk about what to do with the anticipated bounty, a discussion that now seems antique. Last year’s federal deficit was three hundred and seventy-five billion dollars; this year’s will top four hundred billion. According to the C.B.O., which came out with its latest projection in September, the period from 2005 to 2014 will see a cumulative shortfall of $2.3 trillion.”

    Conservative my a*s! Don’t drink the Kool-Aid!

  143. Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 31st, 2004 at 11:31 am

    Seems odd that Bin Laden’s televised address was so long. He could have said the same thing much more concisely:

    “Hey Bush! Who’s your Daddy?”

  144. JD Says: October 31st, 2004 at 1:17 pm

    Hey Ferguson, listen up. Your stream of consciousness rants aren’t cutting it, bud. Nobody is going to read that much drivel. And I see you are still sticking to the fascist label. That might have gotten you an “A” back in school but here it is a joke. So maybe you should call your old profs and see if they have anything new because this is getting boring.

  145. JD Says: October 31st, 2004 at 2:53 pm

    We could make that a song. (To the tune “look for the union label”). It would go like this: “Look for…the fascist laabel…cause that’s where… you’ll find Fergy…la,la,la”

  146. Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 31st, 2004 at 6:17 pm

    JD, if it quacks like a duck …

    As for the ’stream of consciousness’ complaint, I gave you a reasoned 14-point argument demonstrating conclusively that your party is fascist and you ran away faster than George Bush looking for somewhere safe to hide on 9/11. If you’ve changed your mind and want to debate the issue, go ahead.

    Instead you resort to nonsense about commercial jingles and the preposterous notion that my old professors taught me what to think. That’s the biggest difference between me and you, JD. All you fascist lemmings care about is WHAT to think. Foxnews, Rush, talk radio, Ann Coulter and all the other Joseph Goebbels wannabes are more than happy to do that. Consequently, you’ve forgotten HOW to think.

    Anyway, you’re an old man. You’re not going to develop an intellect, a conscience, an ability to reason, or the wisdom to separate fact from fiction and spin from substance in the next 2 days. So I really have no interest in arguing with you.

    How’s the weather in your neck of the woods?

  147. Allison Says: November 1st, 2004 at 4:53 pm

    hey JD and Ferguson, just read all your entries this morning. Don’t ahve a lot of time to discuss things but Fergy, you’re still right on and JD, you sound kind of like you want to be convinced but just don’t want Fergy to be the one to do it. Where’s R4 when we need him? Republican forever, who’s decided Bush is the worst president ever and wants to vote for someone else. Hey Ferguson, I’m a Texan too, although I just moved to Florida, but I’ve already mailed in my vote for Kerry. Really, I wish this country would think about embracing another party altogether, and if the independents would continue to educate the American public after the elections are over, we might start to make some real progress toward reason in this country,

  148. Allison Says: November 1st, 2004 at 4:54 pm

    sorry about the typos

  149. Kelly Says: November 2nd, 2004 at 8:13 pm

    Hey, I used to be a liberal….. Then I grew up.

  150. Jonathan Ferguson Says: November 2nd, 2004 at 10:05 pm

    Not many liberals grow up to be fascists. As drunken Bush in 1992 would say, “Only in America!”

    Kerry in a LANDSLIDE!!!

  151. vazius Says: November 6th, 2004 at 7:19 pm

    Democrats (I think to myself) are liberals who believe the people are basically good, but that they need government help to organize their lives. They believe in freedom so fervently that they think it should be compulsory. They believe that the poor and ignorant are victims of an unfair system and that their circumstances can be improved if we give them help. Republicans (I think to myself) are conservatives who think it would be best if we faced the fact that people are no damned good. They think that if we admit that we have selfish, acquisitive natures and then set out to get all we can for ourselves by working hard for it, that things will be better for everyone. They are not insensitive to the poor, but tend to think the poor are impoverished because they won’t work. They think there would be fewer of them to feel sorry for if the government did not encourage the proliferation of the least fit among us with welfare programs. - Andy Rooney

    hmmm.. wonder which side I’d rather subscribe to… conservatism is nothing more than an ideology of oppression upheld by zealots…

    I was raised the old-fashioned way, with a stern set of moral principles: Never lie, cheat, steal or knowingly spread a venereal disease. Never speed up to hit a pedestrian or, or course, stop to kick a pedestrian who has already been hit. From which it followed, of course, that one would never ever — on pain of deletion from dozens of Christmas card lists across the country — vote Republican. - Barbara Ehrenreich

    As Mankind becomes more liberal, they will be more apt to allow that all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community are equally entitled to the protections of civil government. I hope ever to see America among the foremost nations of justice and liberality. - George Washington

    Liberalism is the supreme form of generosity; it is the right which the majority concedes to minorities and hence itis the noblest cry that has ever resounded on this planet. - Jose Ortega y Gasset

    Liberalism is trust of the people, tempered by prudence; conservatism, distrust of people, tempered by fear.
    -William Gladstone

  152. vazius Says: November 6th, 2004 at 7:20 pm

    the only thing ill ever concede:

    Somebody came along and said ‘liberal’ means ’soft on crime, soft on drugs, soft on Communism, soft on defense, and we’re gonna tax you back to the Stone Age because people shouldn’t have to go to work if they don’t want to.’ And instead of saying, ‘Well, excuse me, you right-wing, reactionary, xenophobic, homophobic, anti-education, anti-choice, pro-gun, Leave it to Beaver trip back to the ’50s,’ we cowered in the corner and said, ‘Please don’t hurt me.’ - the West Wing

  153. VV Says: November 6th, 2004 at 7:28 pm

    “Throwing mere quotes around proves precious little.” - Anonymous

  154. JD Says: November 7th, 2004 at 12:33 am

    Hey vazius, just what the hell is your point?

  155. Unfortunate Death Says: November 7th, 2004 at 12:39 am

    You are an idiot if:
    1. You agree with this list.
    2. You wrote this list.

  156. Maverick Says: November 7th, 2004 at 1:04 am

    To unfortunate Death:

    I personally know this man that wrote this list and he is one of the smartest men I have ever met, and if you were ever priviliged enough to meet this man he would be happy to poke holes in all your liberal theories, so before you go making blind accusations just because you can, try and show some respect. Which considering you are a liberal, I do understand dosent come naturally.

  157. Nam Vet Says: November 8th, 2004 at 11:04 am

    September 1967 through December 1968, 504th Military Police Battalion, Delta Company, Viet Nam. Stopped by for this trip and won’t be back here but must make a comment to Jonathan Ferguson. Sir, you sit at home posting on the internet with your computer, saying anything you’d like with no fear at all that George Bush is coming to get you and your entire family and stick bamboo shoots under your fingernails? You really think you live in a fascist country? Your an idiot. I’m sorry Veterans ever had to die for your freedom. Your only free now to preach your lies because your forefathers didn’t believe the same shit you do. And by the way, Kerry was a traitor and most of us Viet Nam Vets know it.

  158. Serbian National Says: November 8th, 2004 at 7:06 pm

    Hey Fergy, here’s a very, very, VERY simple example that you can understand that may help you open your closed mindedness on the position of the “Fascist” party - the fact that you can say that they are fascist without being tortured like Nam Vet said above. There are liberal media channels as well, and I think that those are the only ones you watch. Maybe you should be the one opening your mind perhaps, but that thought never occured to you, did it?

    The problem with our political system as of now is just that - few people are looking at the issues, they are supporting their candidate to the death. Some people are moderates, but many, many more are either diehard liberals or diehard conservatives who put up a facade of moderatism. The entire Kerry campaign was “Vote for the Other Guy,” and then entire Bush campaign was “Remember 9/11.” I sure hope that politics will go through a Renaissance when the Unnamed Generation comes into power - it could sure use it. Politics today is a bunch of scare tactics - we need to go back to fireside chats on the issues. I do not know when politics became about people (and what’s more, their past) instead of the effect those people will have on the nation. Unless their past will indeed have that sort of effect, then it should not be included in the campaign.

    All of that is, of course, idealistic, but we should all attempt to acheive perfection, no?

  159. fuji Says: November 22nd, 2004 at 10:22 am

    Kay…in reponse to posting 15…ummm…I am a liberal - and I’ve fallen into your trap - but what is the third Caliphate? I’m familiar with the Umayyad and the Abbasid Caliphates but what’s the third one? Or is this some clever joke refering to the Ba’ath regime?

  160. Serb National Says: November 23rd, 2004 at 2:26 am

    Good luck illiciting a response from good ol’ Draco - he’s been silent for a week or so.

  161. Suzanne Katz Says: December 3rd, 2004 at 1:25 am

    HELP!
    I just read each and every comment about Liberals, now I am really confused.

    First, I do believe Kennedy did some real good things for this country.

    As to other comments, well, don’t really think many of you know the true meaning of what a Liberal is. Would someone give me an exact description of a Liberal?
    -Can one believe in one Liberal Idea, and not be one?
    -Can one have his or her own personal beliefs, and not be a “LIBERAL”?
    -Does one have to be either a D or an R and if one is neither of the two, are they then doomed to be an L?
    -Or can one just be themselves, and not carry a label?
    -Can I believe that which I believe and not be any of the three?
    -Is it necessary in politics to be under one of the three categories, or can one just believe what is right, what is fair and what is best for America?

    Can I please just me?

    I am what I am, what else could I be,
    When you look into my eyes you get what you see.
    I stand where I stand just to be me.
    Understand if you can, that I am who I am.
    Think twice before you try to read me,
    Before you try to lead me into your trap.

    Understand if you can that I am who I am,
    I stand where I stand, I believe what I believe.

    I don’t play by any other rules, only my rules.
    I won’t loose this game nor will I play this game.

  162. Ron Says: February 10th, 2005 at 9:15 pm

    Damn i love this site.Guess that makes me brainwashed by Bill Oreily too huh?LOL

  163. Ron Says: February 10th, 2005 at 9:23 pm

    FUNNY THING IS THIS LIBERAL IDIOT SAID THAT THE DAILY NEWS FANS ARE SMARTER THAN FOX NEWS FANS.WELL EVEN JON STEWART LAUGHS AT PEOPLE WHO TAKE HIS SHOW SERIOUSLY, AND ALOT OF THE FANS WHO WATCH EITHER SHOW, ARE THE SAME DAMN PEOPLE. YOU KNOW YUOR A LIBERAL IF YOU PAY ATTENTION TO SURVEYS

  164. Stohn Says: February 27th, 2005 at 10:09 pm

    You might be a liberal if you attack a conservative’s clothing, hair, sexuality, mother, mother’s brother’s first wife’s boss’s daughter’s boyfriend’s third cousin twice removed…but never actually prove them wrong

  165. Dave Says: March 23rd, 2005 at 9:57 pm

    Why do liberals always resort to the “education” thing when trying to exert their superiority over us ignorant redneck conservatives? Being EDUCATED deos not automatically make one INTELLIGENT!! They are 2 very seperate things. Anyone can be educated and still be dumb. And by the way liberals of the world…EVERYONE is ignorant!! Ignorance is NOT stupidity. Ignorance means having a lack of knowledge about a particular topic, NOT being stupid. You liberals are all ignorant about something, just as we all are. So stop touting education as some kind of trait that identifies your intellect…it is simply not so. I know quite a few people who are not only possess or are seeking a college education, but are adamantly conservative as well. Conservatives believe in personal responsibility, less government, the concept of good and evil, and that people should be free to makes their own choices and also free to suffer the consequences of these decisions if they turn out to be bad ones. We don’t have to be told what to do and think, because we are not mindless indoctrinated robots whose only answer to any problem is to ask the government to bail us out of trouble. We are conservative because we believe in the values and concepts of conservatism and because we CHOOSE to be.

  166. Dave Says: March 23rd, 2005 at 10:01 pm

    You might be a liberal if you think that your policies and ideas are always right but can’t name one that has actually worked.

  167. Anonymous Says: March 24th, 2005 at 12:20 am

    you guys are idiots

  168. Julian Says: March 24th, 2005 at 2:47 am

    Dave, In response to comment 166 and your statement that liberals can’t name a policy or idea that has actually worked. Well a liberal might rightfully argue that the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution of the United States, the Bill of Rights, and the abolition of the slavery in the US, all of which were liberal ideas and policies, have been pretty successful so far. I could name many more if you wish but those pop into mind immediately.

  169. Dave Says: March 24th, 2005 at 8:03 pm

    Julian, I would say that you are sadly mistaken, especially about the abolition of slavery. President Lincoln, who signed the Emancipation Proclamation declaring that slaves were free, was arguably NOT a liberal!! And as for the idea that our founding documents were liberal policies, I would say that is BULL—-!! The people who made the long journey to this country to get away from their English masters were driven by the idea of freedom and the right to self govern without undue influnence from the Queen, the church, or any other agent of the governemt. This is clearly a conservative idea, as we can see every day in America. Liberals have consistently shown themselves to be in favor of bigger and more intrusive government in the form of more and larger taxes, an uneven taxation system which penalizes the wealthy and rewards laziness, social programs that aim to coddle those among us who refuse to work and provide for themselves when they are able, programs to force us all to be “politically correct” in manner and speech lest we offend someone or say something to piss someone off, on and on ad nauseum. Liberals love to tout the freedoms granted by our Constitution, but then try to impose laws against those they disagree with even if these laws go against the fiber of that very same Constitution.

  170. Julian Says: March 25th, 2005 at 2:38 am

    Dave, I disagree with several of your point in 169. First, Lincoln was indisputably a liberal. In fact, the Republican party was the liberal party in the 1860s. Second, the people who made the journey to this country to escape the oppression of people who wanted to impose religious values on them that they disagreed with were not the people who wrote the founding documents for this country. Your time frame is out of wack. Third, the Bush administration, which admittedly is not really conservative but is certainly not liberal either, has grown the government faster than any administration in history. Moreover, the huge government they have grown is the most intrusive government the US has had since King George (ironic huh?). Finally, I find it hard to imagine how one could see the deck as being stacked against the wealthy no matter how you look at it. If you think it is, the wealthy have made a sucker out of you.

  171. Dave Says: March 25th, 2005 at 4:57 am

    Julian, I understand that the people who first came here were not even alive at the time that the Constitution was written. Maybe I should have been more clear (although I am sure you would have found a way to argue regardless)…however, they still had the same MINDSET as the folks who came before…they were here because they wanted to escape the oppression of the reigning monarchy and have some say in how their own government was run (what a novel idea). In addition, in any conversation about liberals, lets not confuse “liberals” or “liberal politics” with the definition of the word “liberal”. The word “liberal” is defined, among other things, as 1) Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry. 2) Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.” I don’t see how you can claim that today’s liberal political party members are any of these things. Liberals ARE bigots…re: #1 above…the constant harassment of conservatives by calling us “ignorant; rednecks; uneducated” and making disparaging remarks about our level of education and intelligence compared to the “more highly educated (and so they claim more enlightened)” liberals. Liberals are NOT tolerant of the ideas and behaviors of others re: #2 above…liberals spend an overhwelming majority of their time trying to tell the rest of us how to think, talk, read, write and behave in accordance with their own beliefs and ridiculing OUR (conservatives) way of thinking as not being enlightened enough. You force feed your ideas and beliefs down our throats and then call us names like “homophobe” and “redneck” when we don’t agree with you. One of the really great things about this country we live in is that I don’t have to agree with you. (LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR RIGHT NOW…I AM NOT NOR DO I SUBSCRIBE TO ANY OF THE FOLLWOING BELIEFS, IDEAS, ATTITUDES OR BEHAVIORS…I USE THEM SIMPLY AS A WAY TO MAKE A POINT!!!) In this country, I can be a racist, sexist, “homophobic”, white supremacist asshole with an bad attitude, and as long as I don’t PHYSICALLY HARM anyone because of these thoughts, there isn’t a damn thing you can do about it. I can call someone a nigger, spic, kike, dyke, faggot or whatever I want to and you can’t stop me! THAT is what the Constitution gives me the freedom to do!! Anyone trying to pass legislation/laws to make it illegal to do so is not only NOT a liberal, but they are violating my CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS as well!! If I don’t want to hire a black person in my place of business, I DON’T HAVE TO!! If I don’t want to serve a homosexual, I DON’T HAVE TO!! There is nothing you can do about that. You cannot legislate my feeleings or beliefs, nor do you have the right to even try!!! Bush’s “intrusive” government that you refer to is intrusive in an attempt to protect the citizens of this country from another cowardly attack such as the one on 9/11, and THAT attack was brought on more by liberal crybaby policies and ideas which make us appear weak and vulnerable to our enemies than by any other reason!! And as for being a sucker because I think that a progressive tax rate is unfair and purposely slanted against the rich…how do you figure it is fair that someone who makes a million dollars a year has to pay a much higher tax rate than someone who makes $10,000? How is it fair that the more money you make, the more you pay? Where is the incentive for people to even attemnpt to make more money (hence become more prosperous and have a larger business, thereby providing more to the world in terms of products, services and whatnot) when they know you are going to take over half of it and give it to an already in debt and meddling government burueacracy run by greedy, arrogant, self-serving, crooked politicians (on both sides) whose only goal is to keep feeding off the people’s teats!? I am a sucker for wahting to see people keep more of what they earn, to spend themselves as they see fit? Is it any wonder that most extremely wealthy people have whole firms of accountants whose only job is to find loopholes so they can keep their own damn money!!? If trying to lower taxes on EVERYONE and provide incentive and opportunity for citizens to be wealthy and prosperous (the American Dream by the way…”…Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness…” you remember that?) makes me a sucker, then I wear the label proudly!!

  172. Julian Says: March 25th, 2005 at 6:13 pm

    Dave, I have to give a multipart reply to 171 because I am busy writing another document now. My complete reply will come in stages and will be presented in the order that you introduced the issues. You said “they still had the same MINDSET as the folks who came before…they were here because they wanted to escape the oppression of the reigning monarchy and have some say in how their own government was run (what a novel idea).” I think that you are talking about the “Puritans” who first settled in New England (or the “Saints”, as they humbly called themselves.) If memory serves me, the Puritans did not leave England because they disliked kings, per se. They just had a difference of opinion with the king about what the best form of christianity was - it was a religious tift, if you will. Most of the early English settlers in the US, however, can here not to escape the oppression of the Kings and Queens of England, but to serve them by establishing colonies in the US on England’s behalf. And they th