You Might Be A Liberal If…
By: Michael Bauman,
Ever since Michael Dukakis suffered a terrible drubbing at the polls for flashing his ACLU card in public and for identifying himself as a liberal without embarrassment, the dreaded “L” word has fallen into wide disfavor, even disrepute. Some liberal politicians, like Bill Clinton, don’t like to use it all. Nevertheless, it’s still possible to know who’s a liberal and who is not.
You might be a liberal if . . .
You think that consenting adults can engage freely in every activity except capitalism.
You named your children Moonglow and Arizona.
You think the really alarming violence takes place outside the abortion clinic.
You’ve ever referred to the “root cause” of something.
You pray to “The Woman Upstairs.”
You think we never gave peace a chance.
You had to be told that “Manhattan,” “menopause” and “boycott” were not sexist words
You begin sentences with the words “I feel.”
Your driver’s license has a hyphen because for you one last name just isn’t enough.
You don’t think “All in the Family” is a very funny program, but watch it anyway because Meathead makes a lot of sense.
You think OJ is out looking for the real killers.
You think Julia Sugarbaker is an astute social commentator.
You think it takes a village.
You think that the words “to promote the general welfare” in the Constitution mean to promote welfare generally.
You think that, even though more people voted against him than for him in both the 1992 and the 1996 presidential elections, Bill Clinton had a mandate.
You think that conservatives, like preservatives, ought to be federally regulated.
You ever wore earth shoes.
You have ever wondered out loud, “Why can’t we all just get along?”
You think the New York Times prints all the news that’s fit.
You think that Rush Limbaugh is just an entertainer.
You spent Columbus Day reading Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee.
You reach the limits of your talent and then complain that you ran into a glass ceiling.
You wear more ribbons on your lapel than in your hair.
You think that the really dangerous McCarthy was Joe, not Eugene.
You blame the Unabomber’s parents.
You fail to see the connection between Lenin and Lennon.
You have ever agreed with Martin Sheen or Barbra Streisand.
Some Fellow Says: October 13th, 2004 at 7:09 pm
First.
You know you’re a liberal if…
your emotions run high and you break out into tears after watching the latest racist, sexist and pro-war Bush State of the Union address.
you believe that commanding civilians is just the same as commanding soldiers.
when discussing politics you sob when the poor SOB doesn’t see the light.
Some Fellow Says: October 13th, 2004 at 7:10 pm
you actually read Bill Clinton’s book.
Koby Keller Says: October 13th, 2004 at 7:33 pm
you might be a liberal if you would save a deer but kill a baby
Working american Says: October 13th, 2004 at 8:37 pm
if you think JFK did something for this country
JD Says: October 14th, 2004 at 4:28 pm
You might be a liberal if you think rumors are only rumors when they’re about Democrats. Rumors about Republicans are just “all the news that’s fit to print.”
chris giegel Says: October 14th, 2004 at 8:46 pm
u might be a liberal if u think that “violence never solves anything”
Halfbaked Mark Says: October 17th, 2004 at 2:36 am
You might be a liberal if… you think money is evil.
Some Fellow Says: October 17th, 2004 at 4:38 pm
you stepped in front of a tree to save it from a bull dozer, then blamed the Republican gov’t.
righty Says: October 18th, 2004 at 1:04 am
if you think michael moore is patriotic, rather then the traitor that he is. you believe that kerry will win!
Dani Says: October 18th, 2004 at 2:06 am
I am a liberal and I stumbled onto this site, but I looked around because I was intrigued by the title, “Laugh at Liberals.” You have some things wrong in the article, “You Might Be a Liberal if…” first of all, not a lot of liberals believe OJ Simpson didn’t kill his wife(we’re not retarded.) Second, I don’t think Rush Limbaugh is an entertainer, I think he’s an asshole. If your still reading this (I doubt you are, because conservatives don’t listen) this article portrays liberals as dumb, uneducated, tree huggers. But if any of you rednecks could open your eyes you would realize we are much more intelligent than you think, because unlike the followers of this website, we are not told what to think. If you have read up to here, I’m very proud of you (I didn’t know you guys could read this far!) I want you to know one simple fact, loyalist of this website are probably loyal to the one and only, Bill O’Reily of The O’Reily Factor. I watch The Daily Show with John Stewart (a liberal media). It may surprise you that there was a study between these two media and it concluded that viewers of The Daily Show are three times more educated then those of The O’Reily Factor.
bonniem Says: October 18th, 2004 at 2:33 am
Just a minute! Dani, You think Jon Stewart is liberal? I have been seeing where some of his “people” are laughing because they make things up and yet more people say they get their news there than from any of the news channels. (any of the real news channels).
stephanie Says: October 18th, 2004 at 3:38 am
You think that all conservatives are rednecks? Well, you’re sadly mistaken! You would like to just put us all into one group but you really can’t when you have the sense to know that conservatives are people with morals, common sense and brains to go along with it! About you’re comment that conservatives don’t listen, well I read your stupid little comment,because I do listen. I don’t think liberals are stupid, I think that they are awful people, plain and simple. That study of those shows you were talking about was , of course, biased, like everything else you fill your little head with. I’m glad I got to read your comments,Dani, because they gave this conservative a good laugh!Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha!
Patrick Says: October 18th, 2004 at 4:57 am
I’d be a conservative, if I could afford it…and if I had time to preach to everyone who believes in a different God than I do
draco Says: October 18th, 2004 at 6:00 am
Ideological hatred of whites is now a growth industry, boosted by “civil rights” activists and liberal academics. These once-youthful radicals, now entrenched in positions of power and influence, peddle a warmed-over version of the Marxist creed that supported the communist empire and excuses intolerance to the point of murder. Betraying the legacy of Martin Luther King, this unholy alliance of black civil rights leaders and white radicals threatens to undermine America’s moral, political, and economic institutions.
Mr. Horowitz acknowledges that America’s unique political culture is the creation of white European males, primarily English and Christian. But these very men and their heirs have led the world in abolishing slavery and establishing the principles of ethnic and racial inclusion. Undeterred, so it seems, by America’s Anglo-Saxon roots, people of every race and creed still flock by the millions to these shores, claiming a share of our unparalleled rights and opportunities. Yet, with staggering hypocrisy, a clique of racial warlords and academic malcontents indict our every institution for racial oppression.
draco Says: October 18th, 2004 at 6:13 am
you know you’re a liberal if:
you think germany and france have moral authority
1) youre a schmuck (your wife is sleeping around and you’re too big of a pussy to do anything about it)
2) you think michael moore is a patriot and not a traitor
3) you think bill maher is politically incorrect
4) you think saddam hussein has no terrorist connections
5) you think cowardice is a virtue
6) you think americans are opressed
7) you drive an SUV with a Kerry/Edwards sticker while talking on your cel phone and disrupting traffic bitching about how isolated we are
9) you don’t even know what the third caliphate is
10) you make the upper class bracket tax cut, but don’t refuse it!
11) you’re a girlie man
draco Says: October 18th, 2004 at 6:31 am
liberals never, ever take me on- they dare not- I invite them to try and match wits with me. I wish to be the forensics heavyweight for the next era- bring it on- I’ll leave you in your puddle of tears. I know every one of their tactics because I’m a reformed liberal- I’ve repented. “Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains. ”
Winston Churchill, Sir (1874-1965)
So glad I found my “home” at last, with the intelligent, rational, logical and productive right wing. I love it.
draco Says: October 18th, 2004 at 6:51 am
You might be a liberal if….
you think tofu is food
1) you are jewish and oppose the war in Iraq
2) you are white and you hate white people
3) you are black and hate white people
4) you are a man and you hate yourself
5) you hate your dad
6) someone offers you a Draught and you head for canada
7) you’re a woman and you don’t shave
9) you think the grateful dead are good
10) you think the daily show is “news”
11) you’ve ever hired gloria allred
oh lord- this is too much fun!
gimme some feedback! am I striking any chords here!
Serbian National Says: October 18th, 2004 at 3:27 pm
The Daily Show is a comedy, you damned fool.
You have some very nice ones in there, draco. The first set of 1-11 is my favorite.
draco Says: October 18th, 2004 at 5:34 pm
who, exactly, is the damned fool comment directed at Serbian National?
zack Says: October 18th, 2004 at 6:04 pm
…draco, I think Serbian National’s comment was in answer to Dani who says that he gets his news from The Daily Show.
draco Says: October 18th, 2004 at 6:27 pm
good, zack- cause I’m in a fighting mood. right on Serb. Nat., glad to be of service. I had two cousins over there and they were happy to help- they know there are people all over the world who know there are many of us who really do want everyone to have the same opportunities and freedom we do.
-yours in Democracy
Serbian National Says: October 18th, 2004 at 6:44 pm
Correct, my comment was directed at Dani, who cited the Daily Show as a source of information.
Sorry if I wasn’t clear about that.
Matt Says: October 18th, 2004 at 6:57 pm
You know… I see a trend among ignorant liberals. Just watch, from visiting numerous sites, how many ignorant libs use the word “redneck”
bonniem Says: October 18th, 2004 at 9:02 pm
I thought liberals were so open minded they judged no one except conservatives. Saying are conservatives are rednecks is like saying all liberals are in show business.
bonniem Says: October 18th, 2004 at 9:09 pm
Sorry, typo there, should have been,
“saying all” conservatives, etc.
stephanie Says: October 20th, 2004 at 2:46 am
Draco is a formeer liberal activist , so that means that he does NOT know what he is talking about. Liberals are funny and I’ll smile when Draco takes the bait on this comment!
draco Says: October 20th, 2004 at 4:08 am
chomp chomp stephers…
ready for round one?
the fact that I’m a former lib means a few things:
1 I know how you think
2 I have all the facts and all the fiction
3 I used to react instead of investigate
4 you are toast
5 I agree, liberals are funny! thus, the name of the site!
-kisses dahling!
fisherman Says: October 20th, 2004 at 5:23 pm
It’s no surprise that Dani toughts his education as a defense of liberals. He says that people who watch Stewart are more educated that people who watch O’Reilly. Well, I’ve got news for you, that’s because so many liberals that can’t make it in the business world wind up seeking teaching jobs in our universities. They spew their liberal agenda at young minds, many of which are looking for some escape from their parents rules. Many students swallow the liberal agenda for a while, because they haven’t seen enough of life to be able to discern the truth for themselves. The Churchill quote is so appropriate. These “educated people” follow the liberal philosophy blindly without ever realizing the blatant falsehoods in what they have been told. Once they matured and lived long enough to see the truth, many of them abandon the liberal lies.
If you ever encountered a pacifist, socialist, atheist, nothing is wrong there are only choices, government is inherently evil, religion is for stupid people, guns are evil, pot should be legalized, judges should legislate, taxes are not the people’s money professor while trying to gain an ecucation……………., you might be a liberal.
Corinna Says: October 22nd, 2004 at 7:08 pm
Dani, me thinks doth thou protest too much. If you don’t know what that means, you can ask this university educated, successful, non-racist, Rush Limbaugh, George Bush, compasionate, agree witht he war in Iraq, and who cares if Sadam has weapons of mass destruction, the world is a safer place without him, love life and freedom and know that only conservatives have the right solutions, which are based on the very values set out by Jesus, CONSERVATIVE. Thank you!
Serbian National Says: October 22nd, 2004 at 7:37 pm
Good ol’ Shakespeare.
How can someone say we should have taken preemptive war against terrorists and then say that preemptive war against Hussein is wrong?
Serbian National Says: October 22nd, 2004 at 7:55 pm
Instead of my first use of war, I meant to say action. Sorry about that.
bonniem Says: October 22nd, 2004 at 8:18 pm
Dani, I read that article also. But some who watch the “Daily Show” think it is real news. They make things up to put on there to be funny. So surely if the people who watch that are smarter than the people who watch O’Rielly, the know to not compare the Daily show to a fact driven news program.
Rebecca DeWinter Says: October 24th, 2004 at 6:34 pm
Drayco,
I’m not a liberal, but I don’t know what the “third caliphate” is – can you enlighten me? And, I’d make a condescending remark to Dani too, but I doubt she’ll check back at this site. For some reason I got the impression Dani is a she – does that make me sexist?
Thanks!
Serbian National Says: October 25th, 2004 at 6:54 pm
I was just on JohnKerry.com, looking at some of the comments on the blogs. I swear, some of those people cannot be old enough to vote! That is the biggest bunch of slobbering idiots that I have ever seen on the internet, and that is saying something! They misspell reason (rasone), and their grammar is terribly discombobulated – sometimes beyond recognition! Boy howdy, that was quite the trip, and now I know why I’m a conservative.
stephanie Says: October 26th, 2004 at 3:25 am
To Draco:
Did you say “Stephers” because you did not know how to spell what was right in front of you? What kind of nickname is that? And yes, I AM ready for round 1. You actually do NOT know how I think, silly dahling! Gee, I wonder how I am going to argue with an idiot, but it should be fun!
Emory Says: October 26th, 2004 at 4:30 am
Woohoo! stephanie vs. Draco. Can’t wait for this. Round 1 should make for an interesting scrap.
steve Says: October 26th, 2004 at 6:31 am
My money is squarly on Draco. So far Stephers just opted for the famous “no, your a (insert Dracos witty rejoinder and clever ad homenium here).” Wow this isnt even going to be a fight.
Now Dani, you may want to first get an education and then come back to pose a fight. Cuz right now, judging by your feeble attack, today doesnt look like your day. Next week doesnt look so good either.
Serbian National Says: October 26th, 2004 at 2:17 pm
My money’s on Draco as well, and his infamous “Third Caliphate.” If you don’t know what it is, look it up!
Serbian National Says: October 26th, 2004 at 2:37 pm
“You actually do NOT know how I think, silly dahling! ”
I do believe we all know how you think, because you fit the mold of the fanatical, misinformed liberal.
“Gee, I wonder how I am going to argue with an idiot, but it should be fun!”
Once again we see the typical liberal namecalling taking the place of actual facts or, God forbid, action.
stephanie Says: October 26th, 2004 at 11:18 pm
Wait, I just read Serbian National’s comment about me(#39).I’m not even a liberal!Get it straight! You have no idea what you are talking about! Ha,ha!
Brooks Says: October 26th, 2004 at 11:28 pm
You are a liberal if you think that the UN ever gets anything done.
Allison Says: October 29th, 2004 at 3:35 pm
Draco, I like you because you can spell and have excellent command of the language. I wonder how old you are, because your quote intrigued me. I too was a liberal when I was young (had lots of heart) and became a conservative as I got older (found my brain), but now that I’m getting older still, I find that I’m swinging toward liberalism again. Let me clarify: I have very conservative values and there’s a lot about liberals that I don’t like. But I especially don’t like partisanship, and I don’t believe conservatism necessarily equates to Republicanism. I don’t like how Republicans and right wingers in general use their conservative views to judge people in whose shoes they have never walked. Very un-Jesus-like. I think it takes heart AND brains to get it right and why aren’t we capable of both in this country? All this fighting, arguing and name-calling seems ugly and senseless to me. Instead of polarizing ourselves on petty and not-so-petty differences, wouldn’t it make more sense to try to find ways to be in agreement so we can accomplish some good for all those concerned? We don’t want another civil war in this country, do we?
Republican 4 ever Says: October 29th, 2004 at 4:12 pm
We are so divided right now it’s not even funny.
we’re not even arguing about issues anymore. It’s Right wing against the Left..I don’t hate liberals…I do dislike the extreme bongo/legalizepot/etc ones…but I also dislike the ones too far on the right…
We’re not that different really but we’re so angry we’re making it worse…
Allison Says: October 29th, 2004 at 4:15 pm
no wonder we look so bad to the rest of the world.
Allison Says: October 29th, 2004 at 4:25 pm
How can we, who say we value freedom, be so condemning of our own neighbors just for having a different opinion? You’d think that in America of all places we would have learned tolerance by now, especially in the arena of ideas. This isn’t an election to find the right leader for this country, it’s become a wrestling match to see who gets to wear the belt and look like the biggest bully (and fool).
Republican 4 ever Says: October 29th, 2004 at 4:30 pm
Does anyone think we should have some sort of law on political ads that attack the other party. Both parties are using scare tactics etc…
How about you can’t talk about the other party at all..all you can do is promote your own platform and you make your stand on the ISSUES!! we’de still have the 2 candidates duking it out during the debates…
Allison Says: October 29th, 2004 at 4:41 pm
Of course you are right, that’s how a political campaign should be run, but the problem is, they’re more concerned with winning (by whatever means necessary) than they are with being right. That’s why they distort facts and lie outright and attack each other so shamelessly. Why would you want to win by default( the other guy’s no good) than win on your own merit? Makes no sense to me. Just state the issues and your plans to make this country better and then let the people decide.
Allison Says: October 29th, 2004 at 4:43 pm
And you’re right, a law like that would be the greatest improvement in the political process this country has ever seen.
Republican 4 ever Says: October 29th, 2004 at 4:52 pm
What do you think of the Colorado situation? They’ll give a proportional number of electoral votes…
Republican 4 ever Says: October 29th, 2004 at 4:56 pm
It burns me to see TV ads on the candidates army service etc…it also burns me to have the candidates give me out of context numbers on how many times they voted on something: ”My opponent voted to raise taxes on bananas 58 million times”
…
Republican 4 ever Says: October 29th, 2004 at 4:57 pm
Where you at JD???
JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 6:24 pm
OK R4 you can relax I am here. Free speech is free speech, you can’t tell people what to say. You could, however put a time limit on the campaign to at least spare us this agony. Maybe 6 months.
JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 6:26 pm
But Allison sometimes the issue is the other guy. Kerry says he would do pretty much all the same things as Bush only better. The anybody but Bush crowd is the biggest force behind Kerry.
Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 29th, 2004 at 7:30 pm
When you opponent is a fascist war criminal, that tends to motivate you to defeat him. The ‘anybody but bush’ phenomenon really means ‘anybody but a fascist, lying, dry drunk, Orwellian war criminal.’ People who compare Bush to Hitler are indeed overstating the case. Bush isn’t Hitler. Bush is Mussolini. Il Duce has been reincarnated as Il Dubya.
That being said, John Kerry is a fine candidate, who will be one of our greatest presidents ever if he’s even able to stop the hemmhoraging the Religious Right Radical Republicans have caused.
JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 7:36 pm
Ferguson you shouldn’t be talking about kool-aid my sick friend.
JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 7:42 pm
Why don’t you liberals save the ‘veins popping out of your necks’ rants for the liberal blogs. They appreciate that brain dead stuff.
Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 29th, 2004 at 7:55 pm
I’m a life-long Libertarian conservative. Not a liberal. You fascist lemmings need to get a grip on reality. If describing yourselves as fascist is too much ‘hard work’ for you, then a more polite way of putting it would be fundamentalist Christian neo-cons. What other words begin with neo- ???? Hmmm, I can’t think of any offhand, can you?
Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 29th, 2004 at 7:59 pm
Funny, I submit post-after-post of substantive criticism of Il Dubya and not one conservative can articulate valid counterarguments. All you want to do is have a pissing contest. What miserable little lives you must lead when you would rather stay deluded, misled and betrayed than to face the reality that you supported the wrong guy in 2000, that his administration has been the worst in American history, and that it’s time for a change.
Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 29th, 2004 at 7:59 pm
make that “conservative”
JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 8:06 pm
Ferguson you haven’t said one thing substantial. You are a legend in your own mind. Why don’t you save that textbook taught psuedo intellectual crap for somebody who will fall for it. You don’t even know what fascism is you piss ant.
Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 29th, 2004 at 8:12 pm
JD, I know very well what fascism is, and we are almost there.
JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 8:14 pm
If you did know what fascism was and could appreciate the implications of what it means you wouldn’t use that term so loosely.
Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 29th, 2004 at 8:19 pm
14 defining characteristics of fascism:
1. Powerful and continuing nationalism.
Check.
2. Disdain for the recognition of human rights.
Check.
3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause.
Check.
4. Supremacy of the military.
Getting there.
5. Rampant sexism
Well, this one doesn’t apply. If you want to argue we’re not drifting towards fascism because we don’t have rampant sexism, you go ahead.
6. Controlled mass media
Getting there, FoxNews, CNN, MSNBC, other networks slowly drifting towards full control by Dubya and cronies.
7. Obsession with national security.
Check.
8. Religion and government are intertwined.
If Republican zealots had there way, absolutely. Slowly drifting in that direction.
9. Corporate power is protected.
Check.
10. Labor power is suppressed.
Check.
11. Disdain for intellectuals and the arts.
Check.
12. Obsession with crime and punishment.
That’s certainly a long-time Republican theme, yes.
13. Rampant cronyism and corruption.
Check.
14. Fraudulent elections.
Check. 2000 anyone?
13 for 14, that’s pretty conclusive.
Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 29th, 2004 at 8:21 pm
I got those defining characteristics here http://www.couplescompany.com/Features/Politics/Structure3.htm
about 1/3 of the way down the page.
JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 8:24 pm
You college guys make me laugh. You get a little education, maybe have a socialist, has been hippy prof who longs for the 60′s and fills your head with this shit while you share a dooby and you think you know what is what. Then you spit out nonsense about fascism and despotism and the military industrial complex and you think you nailed it. What crap!
JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 8:28 pm
You college boys kill me. You get a little education, maybe split a dooby with a has been over the hill hippy prof who longs for the sixty’s then start spouting bullshit about fascism and the military industrial complex and you think you nailed it. You are a useful idiot, Ferguson. Do you know what that means?
JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 8:33 pm
You know you guys still think Nixon is alive. You long for the days when it was that simple. And you wish it was that way again.
Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 29th, 2004 at 8:43 pm
Nope, I wish Nixon was still alive. Bush makes Nixon look like Mother Teresa. I don’t do drugs. I don’t drink the Kool-Aid.
Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 29th, 2004 at 8:48 pm
So anyway, enough of your attempts to divert attention from the issue, JD. There are 3 logical possibilities.
1. You don’t think my ‘defining characteristics of fascism’ are valid. If so, explain why, or define it for yourself in a credible way.
2. You disagree that in the USA today, a majority of those characteristics apply and the rest are drifting in that direction because of the policies of your party.
3. You are a fascist. Your party is fascist. You don’t care, you’re happy to admit it.
So which of the 3 is it?
JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 8:48 pm
Ferguson: You must be to young. Useful Idiots was the term Lenin used to describe the american communists.
JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 8:50 pm
I don’t agree any of your assertions that Bush fits the bill. You haven’t given a single example that would convince me otherwise. Period
JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 8:52 pm
I wish a guy like you could have lived under a real fascist government. Then maybe you would realise how ridiculous your assertion is.
JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 8:55 pm
And you do drink the kool-aid. It is the red kind.
Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 29th, 2004 at 8:58 pm
Actually, useful idiots is the term that Cheney uses to describe lower middle class and poor Republicans.
Specifically JD, which of the 14 do you most strongly disagree with? I’ll walk through them with you one at a time.
maureen Says: October 29th, 2004 at 8:59 pm
Here’s a brief definition of liberalism: a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties (‘C’ of Websters dictionary.)
The people on this site have distorted what it means to be liberal, and have created and implemented their own stereotypes to construct their biased views. We truly are slipping rapidly into a fascist government with the Bush administration- educate yourselves.
JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:00 pm
You know what Ferguson you made me think of something. Since Kerry says we removed Sadamm illegally(sans the UN) maybe if he wins he will put him back in power. Then we can ship you over there and you can experience a real fascist dictatorship. It can be like a field trip.
Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:01 pm
Let’s see. Let’s start with number 1.
JD, are you ignorant enough to believe that the Republican party is not uber-Nationalist? Or do you concede that that single characteristic certainly applies?
JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:03 pm
Back up Ferguson, what is uber-Nationalst? I missed that class.
Republican 4 ever Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:03 pm
Ouch guys!! Ferguson really put it clearly right there!! hahaha…Fascism! Maybe the term is a lil’strong but it does apply to many aspects of this administration. Instead of just blindly rooting for the Republican party we should ask if what they are doing is right..thats all! You won’t be a traitor if you ask yourself questions…
If you can’t acknowledge that Bush must be one of the worst presidents/politicians we ever had then you just won’t see the facts…Truth is I’m thinking of not voting this year or going Democrat…at least when we can come up with a decent candidate (with integrity please)…for now id rather go for the Ketchup fortune than the oil fortune…ketchup interests seem less dangerous in this context…
JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:05 pm
Hey R4 is back. Good, now I have two to fight.
Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:06 pm
Wake up folks. It’s 1932 in Germany again. Not a perfect analogy, but close enough. Educate yourselves. Turn off FoxNews, CNN, FreeRepublic. Learn the truth. Don’t drink the Kool-Aid!
Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:07 pm
Now you have two to fight? No, judging from your behavior so far now you have two to run away from.
Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:09 pm
uber:
Main Entry: uber-
Function: prefix
Definition: the highest or most extreme of its kind: ubernerd; to an extreme degree: ubercool; also spelled über-
Etymology: German über: over, beyond; related to English over
uber-nationalist:
In other words, extremely nationalist.
JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:09 pm
Common Ferguson here is your chance. Educate me. What is uber-something?
JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:11 pm
And how does that apply to Bush?
Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:17 pm
Let me ask you a question, JD. If you could turn back time, bring 1100 Americans back to life, restore health and limbs to another 5000 or 6000 Americans, take tons of explosives out of the hands of terrorists, bring 100,000 innocent Iraqi civilians back from the dead, restore America’s credibility and respect in the world, return 220 billion dollars to the american treasury (and over time, the american taxpayer,) all for the life of one evil scumbag and his two evil sons, would you make that trade? Because I am proud to say, yes dam*it, I would, because that whole damn country isn’t worth one American grunt.
Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:20 pm
JD, I’m not so good at remedial education. If you don’t know what nationalism is and can’t see how nationalist your party is, I urge you to educate yourself. When you do, and you’re ready to concede that point, we can move on to number 2 on the list.
JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:22 pm
Ferguson: Knowing what we know now I would not be in favor of going into Iraq. But that does not make it the wrong thing to do and that does not make Bush a fascist. He did what he did for valid reasons and that has not changed.
JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:27 pm
Wrong Ferguson. I am not nationalistic. I am not an America first kind of guy. I don’t drape myself in the flag. Many people in the Republican party are nationalistic but not to the extent you envision. You are confusing self interest with nationalism and it does not rise to the level you think. And if you truly knew what fascism was you wouldn’t think what you do.
Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:33 pm
Knowing what we know now is exactly what makes it the wrong thing to do. Or do you disagree with it because it was the right thing to do?
The Republican party is first and foremost a nationalist party. That’s why they wear the flag on their lapels. That’s why they had their convention in New York. That’s why they have embraced the imperialist fascist doctrine of unilateral preemptive strike. Don’t drink the Kool-Aid!
Allison Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:34 pm
Ferguson, you and R4 have it right, JD just sounds like Bush, sticking to his guns on principle, but there IS no real principle, he’s just afraid that to ask questions of himself would make him appear weak, appear to be backing down, and so he (Bush, JD, other Republicans) find it easier to belittle those who oppose him (them) than to substantially defend his (their) position. And JD, did you at one time live under fascist rule (as you wish on Ferguson) so that you know better than anyone else what is or isn’t fascism?
JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:37 pm
No Allison I have never lived under a fascist government and neither have you, Ferguson or R4. That is why it is a ridiculous claim to say we are now.
JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:38 pm
And I keep asking Ferguson to give me one example of what he means and he keeps giving me definitions. It doesn’t work that way.
Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:40 pm
JD, I think you’re on the wrong site. You should check out http://www.runawayandhidefromtrueconservatives.com or http://www.mutuallymasturbatewithfreepers.com Those are more down your alley, I think. I’m taking my country back from those fascists and their lemming sympathizers. You can be with me or against me.
JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:41 pm
Hey maybe Ferguson could go to Cuba. That is a workers paradise. They have socialized medicine and the whole bit.
Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:43 pm
I gave you several examples of nationalism. You don’t concede that your party, that constantly refers to 9/11 to scare people, that has adopted a unilateral preemptive strike military party, that has removed ‘Take Me Out to the Ballgame’ from the 7th inning stretch and replaced it with ‘God Bless America’ is nationalist. You’re delusional. You need immediate help to reverse the propaganda you’ve been exposed to. May I suggest http://www.bbc.com or http://www.salon.com
Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:44 pm
JD, the Red Scare ended 50 years ago. Is that all you’ve got?
JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:44 pm
Truth is folks life is all about compromise. I am not a big Bush fan. He has no fiscal discipline. But I think Kerry has no backbone, will cut and run in Iraq and no matter how you feel about being there, we have to do the right thing and finish the job.
Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:45 pm
Replace ‘military party’ with ‘military doctrine’ in 94; sorry, I typed too fast.
Allison Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:45 pm
R4, your last comment sounds like what went on in my head recently when I decided to vote Democrat for the first time in my life. I also went through a period of not voting because it just didn’t make sense to me to vote for the lesser of two evils, but now I see a need for a real change; waiting it out isn’t going to work. My years as a conservative right wing Republican are over. I am worse off today than I have ever been and so are many of my Republican relatives and friends. But more importantly, America has lost the respect it once commanded in the world, and I blame that on Bush. I’ll keep on paying exorbitant prices for gas, thank you very much, but in the meantime, pass the ketchup please.
JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:47 pm
So listen Fergy, you go ahead and vote libertarian. Perot your vote away if you want. I voted against Bill Clinton twice while holding my nose and I will do the same against Kerry.
JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:49 pm
Sorry Allison not buying it. You liberals all love to say you are born again conservatives who have seen the light. It doesn’t happen that way.
Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:52 pm
No fiscal discipline, he’s a ‘borrow and spend’ Republican.
No moral fiber. Unfit for command. He showed that when he avoided service in Vietnam. He showed that when he abused alcohol and cocaine throughout his 20′s and 30′s. He showed that when he paid for his girlfriend to have an abortion when he was 25. He showed that when he was caught on a video in 1992 getting drunk, 6 years after he claims he quit drinking. He showed that when he made fun of a woman on death row pleading for her life. He showed that when he made jokes about the absence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq when American GI’s died looking for those weapons. He showed that when he hired Karl Rove, the most evil and sinister political operative since Joseph Goebbels. The guy who outed a CIA operative, jeopardizing her life and US national security in retaliation for her husband exposing this administration’s lies.
Allison Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:52 pm
No, JD, I don’t think Kerry will cut and run in Iraq. He knows a lot better than Bush what is required for a military victory, so he will finish the job(right), but at least he’s man enough to call a mistake a mistake, and I think the world will applaud him for that and offer their help. I think they might do the same for Bush if he wasn’t so arrogant in insisting that he’s right and he doesn’t need anyone’s help.
Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:53 pm
Well, JD, history clearly shows you were wrong to vote against Clinton, our greatest president to date. Now you’re going to be wrong again.
At least you can say you’re consistent.
JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:57 pm
Clinton was a great president? I guess I should just rest my case now and go home.
Allison Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:57 pm
Sorry JD, but I KNOW what I am. I’m NOT a liberal in the far left sense, but I HAVE BEEN a conservative Republican for the last thirty years and I’M not buying it anymore. Don’t tell me it doesn’t happen that way…do you think YOU know my life and my mind and heart better than I do?
JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 9:59 pm
No Allison I just think you wiser as you get older. Not the other way.
JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 10:01 pm
But enough of this fun. The point is you have to choose. Choose a guy you don’t like or one you don’t trust. I know who I will pick.
JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 10:03 pm
But I will tell you a secret, Allison. I hope you are right about Kerry because he will probably win. And it will be a major disaster if we abandon Iraq.
Allison Says: October 29th, 2004 at 10:07 pm
I never liked Clinton while he was President (due to my Republican upbringing and programming) but now I recognize and appreciate him for what he was able to accomplish that no other president has done. So what if his morals weren’t perfect. Who IS perfect? But he was a great human being who didn’t pretend that he was something he wasn’t. And he did a good job at bringing people together to find a common ground, and he did so much more for our economy than Bush ever will, even if he gets another four years to try.
Allison Says: October 29th, 2004 at 10:12 pm
I agree JD, and I would rather choose someone I’m not sure I really like over someone I don’t trust. I don’t think Kerry will abandon Iraq because he won’t act alone or against advisement as Bush did. Kerry was right to protest Vietnam, and he’s right about Iraq too, but he did his duty nonetheless, and he knows what it takes to do the job right.
JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 10:23 pm
Ah, now we have it. You were programmed into being a Republican. A little late for an epiphany but ok I will accept that. Clinton was a moderate. He was lazy. He didn’t even submit a budget to congress in his last two years. My kind of guy actually. Gridlock works!
JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 10:26 pm
My real problem with Ferguson is I think he doesn’t understand what he is really saying. I would like that guy to spend just one hour with a few Jew’s who have their prison camp tatoo’s on their wrists and have them explain what fascism is.
JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 10:28 pm
Allison, read “Unfit for Duty” and then tell me you think John Kerry is qualified.
Allison Says: October 29th, 2004 at 10:30 pm
I guess I’m really a moderate too JD, but, being older now, I’ve walked a few more miles in other folks’ shoes and i have a little more compassion. Plus, even after going back to school to complete my education while parenting five kids, I find I am much worse off financially and i don’t think Bush cares. But back to Iraq. Read my comments under “white bridal dress” if you want to know why I think the way I do.
Allison Says: October 29th, 2004 at 10:32 pm
#6, 10, and 12-15.
JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 10:43 pm
Allison: With all due respect (I am the father of two kids in college) you seem to be falling prey to the one eyed conservative bogeyman the liberals love to scare people with. Compassion is a very dangerous word. More bad things have been done in the name of “compassion” throughout history then have ever been done in the name of self-interest.
JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 10:46 pm
In fact “for the greater good” has got to be one of the most infamous phrases ever used to justify the abuse of civil liberty and the rights of the individual.
Allison Says: October 29th, 2004 at 10:51 pm
yeah, but I don’t think it was democrats doing it!
Allison Says: October 29th, 2004 at 10:52 pm
now was it?
JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 10:56 pm
Democrats promote the concept of greater good. They see private property as an impediment to good “stewardship”. They think economic development is bad because it hurts the environment and uses up “scarce” resources.
Allison Says: October 29th, 2004 at 10:56 pm
in fact it seems to me that it’s the self-interested, self-righteous right wingers who PROCLAIM to be compassionate conservatives, but who are really the most critical, judgmental, hate-mongering bunch of folks I’ve ever known (next to terrorist groups, that is) who claim to love everyone and have God on their side to boot, but really want to do away with everyone who doesn’t think and believe like them. Does that ring any bells? And I used to BE one of them!!!
JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 10:58 pm
And best of all liberals see wealth as evil and it must be redistributed to be “fair”.
JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 10:59 pm
Boy you have hate alright but I don’t think you can blame it on conservatives.
JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 11:02 pm
Allison let me see if I have this right. You used to be a conservative and you hated liberals. But now you are a liberal and you hate conservatives. Do I see something wrong with this?
Allison Says: October 29th, 2004 at 11:04 pm
true compassion is a good thing. Self interest disguised as compassion is what’s dangerous. Self-interest is human nature, granted, so we’ve all got a little of that going for us. But there is such a thing as self-sacrifice for the greater good and most everyone practices that too to a greater or lesser degree(in families, for instance). But I don’t see Republicans doing much of it on a scale that does anything substantial for this nation.
Allison Says: October 29th, 2004 at 11:07 pm
I don’t hate anyone, JD, I’m just a mild-mannered protester who hates to see people misled and used and thwarted in their efforts to have a decent life.
Allison Says: October 29th, 2004 at 11:14 pm
You seem to have an odd perspective, a way of seeing things not quite as they are presented to you, drawing conclusions that are slightly off, not quite true. I recognize that because that was how i saw things for most of my life, taught that what is right in front of you is not really the truth, you have to read between the lines, question the motives. None of that makes sense to me any longer. Why look for trouble where there is none? Why make issues more complicated than they actually are?
Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 29th, 2004 at 11:29 pm
Check out this website and learn something, JD
JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 11:30 pm
Allison I disagree that conservatives are not a giving bunch. In fact I think that statistics will show that conservatives acutually give more of their incomes to charity than liberals. I know for sure conservatives don’t want the government to be the perveyor of largess that liberals do. This inevitably hurts people more than helps. Liberals alway want someone else to be the giver. Preferably the government with someonelse’s tax money. Compassion, without action, is a joke.
JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 11:32 pm
Fergy you admitting all your insight was copied from some website?
JD Says: October 29th, 2004 at 11:36 pm
I am going to take a stab at this and guess that Ferguson is a polysci major at a one of our better liberal institutions out east. Am I right?
Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 29th, 2004 at 11:45 pm
No JD, I just found that website. Great minds think alike. I came to my conclusions independently.
As you can see above, in my own analysis I discounted the effect of rampant sexism. Turns out I may have been wrong. But the website I just posted shows numerous instances of it and thinks it’s also a factor.
Anyway, that’s my last post for today. Remember, Don’t Drink the Kool-Aid!
JD Says: October 30th, 2004 at 12:43 am
where did everybody go? I was just getting warmed up.
Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 30th, 2004 at 7:52 am
No JD, I’m just an average underemployed Joe who hasn’t lived up to his potential in Austin, TX.
JD Says: October 30th, 2004 at 1:18 pm
Ferguson I can’t believe you are continuing on with that fascist nonsense. You keep it up and you will make yourself irrelevant.
Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 31st, 2004 at 8:56 am
JD, you’re boring me with your inability to reason. Your party is fascist. I can’t help it if you’re too stupid or too big of a liar to see it.
Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 31st, 2004 at 8:57 am
Here are some interesting quotes from the Art of War by Sun Tzu. Apply them to Iraq and you see what a failure Il Dubya is.
“There is no instance of a nation benefitting from prolonged warfare.”
“Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.”
“Unhappy is the fate of one who tries to win his battles and succeed in his attacks without cultivating the spirit of enterprise, for the result is waste of time and general stagnation.”
“In the practical art of war, the best thing of all is to take the enemy’s country whole and intact; to shatter and destroy it is not so good.”
“He who exercises no forethought but makes light of his opponents is sure to be captured by them.”
“Do not press an enemy at bay.”
“For to win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill.”
He who is prudent and lies in wait for an enemy who is not, will be victorious.”
“So there are five ways of knowing who will win. Those who know when to fight and when not to fight are victorious. Those who discern when to use many or few troops are victorious …”
“So the important thing in a military operation is victory, not persistence.”
Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 31st, 2004 at 9:02 am
I guess you lemmings have heard about the loyalty oath they’re saying out loud at Bush rallies now. What a bunch of sheep!
Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 31st, 2004 at 11:23 am
From NY Times
“You’d think that seeing Osama looking fit as a fiddle and ready for hate would spark anger at the Bush administration’s cynical diversion of the war on Al Qaeda to the war on Saddam. It’s absurd that we’re mired in Iraq – an invasion the demented vice president praised on Friday for its “brilliance” – while the 9/11 mastermind nonchalantly pops up anytime he wants. For some, it seemed cartoonish, with Osama as Road Runner beeping by Wile E. Bush as Dick Cheney and Rummy run the Acme/Halliburton explosives company – now under F.B.I. investigation for its no-bid contracts on anvils, axle grease (guaranteed slippery) and dehydrated boulders (just add water).”
Beep-beep! Don’t drink the Kool-Aid!
Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 31st, 2004 at 11:26 am
From the New Yorker
“In January, 2001, just after Bush’s inauguration, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office published its budget outlook for the coming decade. It showed a cumulative surplus of more than five trillion dollars. At the time, there was a lot of talk about what to do with the anticipated bounty, a discussion that now seems antique. Last year’s federal deficit was three hundred and seventy-five billion dollars; this year’s will top four hundred billion. According to the C.B.O., which came out with its latest projection in September, the period from 2005 to 2014 will see a cumulative shortfall of $2.3 trillion.”
Conservative my a*s! Don’t drink the Kool-Aid!
Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 31st, 2004 at 11:31 am
Seems odd that Bin Laden’s televised address was so long. He could have said the same thing much more concisely:
“Hey Bush! Who’s your Daddy?”
JD Says: October 31st, 2004 at 1:17 pm
Hey Ferguson, listen up. Your stream of consciousness rants aren’t cutting it, bud. Nobody is going to read that much drivel. And I see you are still sticking to the fascist label. That might have gotten you an “A” back in school but here it is a joke. So maybe you should call your old profs and see if they have anything new because this is getting boring.
JD Says: October 31st, 2004 at 2:53 pm
We could make that a song. (To the tune “look for the union label”). It would go like this: “Look for…the fascist laabel…cause that’s where… you’ll find Fergy…la,la,la”
Jonathan Ferguson Says: October 31st, 2004 at 6:17 pm
JD, if it quacks like a duck …
As for the ‘stream of consciousness’ complaint, I gave you a reasoned 14-point argument demonstrating conclusively that your party is fascist and you ran away faster than George Bush looking for somewhere safe to hide on 9/11. If you’ve changed your mind and want to debate the issue, go ahead.
Instead you resort to nonsense about commercial jingles and the preposterous notion that my old professors taught me what to think. That’s the biggest difference between me and you, JD. All you fascist lemmings care about is WHAT to think. Foxnews, Rush, talk radio, Ann Coulter and all the other Joseph Goebbels wannabes are more than happy to do that. Consequently, you’ve forgotten HOW to think.
Anyway, you’re an old man. You’re not going to develop an intellect, a conscience, an ability to reason, or the wisdom to separate fact from fiction and spin from substance in the next 2 days. So I really have no interest in arguing with you.
How’s the weather in your neck of the woods?
Allison Says: November 1st, 2004 at 4:53 pm
hey JD and Ferguson, just read all your entries this morning. Don’t ahve a lot of time to discuss things but Fergy, you’re still right on and JD, you sound kind of like you want to be convinced but just don’t want Fergy to be the one to do it. Where’s R4 when we need him? Republican forever, who’s decided Bush is the worst president ever and wants to vote for someone else. Hey Ferguson, I’m a Texan too, although I just moved to Florida, but I’ve already mailed in my vote for Kerry. Really, I wish this country would think about embracing another party altogether, and if the independents would continue to educate the American public after the elections are over, we might start to make some real progress toward reason in this country,
Allison Says: November 1st, 2004 at 4:54 pm
sorry about the typos
Kelly Says: November 2nd, 2004 at 8:13 pm
Hey, I used to be a liberal….. Then I grew up.
Jonathan Ferguson Says: November 2nd, 2004 at 10:05 pm
Not many liberals grow up to be fascists. As drunken Bush in 1992 would say, “Only in America!”
Kerry in a LANDSLIDE!!!
vazius Says: November 6th, 2004 at 7:19 pm
Democrats (I think to myself) are liberals who believe the people are basically good, but that they need government help to organize their lives. They believe in freedom so fervently that they think it should be compulsory. They believe that the poor and ignorant are victims of an unfair system and that their circumstances can be improved if we give them help. Republicans (I think to myself) are conservatives who think it would be best if we faced the fact that people are no damned good. They think that if we admit that we have selfish, acquisitive natures and then set out to get all we can for ourselves by working hard for it, that things will be better for everyone. They are not insensitive to the poor, but tend to think the poor are impoverished because they won’t work. They think there would be fewer of them to feel sorry for if the government did not encourage the proliferation of the least fit among us with welfare programs. – Andy Rooney
hmmm.. wonder which side I’d rather subscribe to… conservatism is nothing more than an ideology of oppression upheld by zealots…
I was raised the old-fashioned way, with a stern set of moral principles: Never lie, cheat, steal or knowingly spread a venereal disease. Never speed up to hit a pedestrian or, or course, stop to kick a pedestrian who has already been hit. From which it followed, of course, that one would never ever — on pain of deletion from dozens of Christmas card lists across the country — vote Republican. – Barbara Ehrenreich
As Mankind becomes more liberal, they will be more apt to allow that all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community are equally entitled to the protections of civil government. I hope ever to see America among the foremost nations of justice and liberality. – George Washington
Liberalism is the supreme form of generosity; it is the right which the majority concedes to minorities and hence itis the noblest cry that has ever resounded on this planet. – Jose Ortega y Gasset
Liberalism is trust of the people, tempered by prudence; conservatism, distrust of people, tempered by fear.
-William Gladstone
vazius Says: November 6th, 2004 at 7:20 pm
the only thing ill ever concede:
Somebody came along and said ‘liberal’ means ‘soft on crime, soft on drugs, soft on Communism, soft on defense, and we’re gonna tax you back to the Stone Age because people shouldn’t have to go to work if they don’t want to.’ And instead of saying, ‘Well, excuse me, you right-wing, reactionary, xenophobic, homophobic, anti-education, anti-choice, pro-gun, Leave it to Beaver trip back to the ’50s,’ we cowered in the corner and said, ‘Please don’t hurt me.’ – the West Wing
VV Says: November 6th, 2004 at 7:28 pm
“Throwing mere quotes around proves precious little.” – Anonymous
JD Says: November 7th, 2004 at 12:33 am
Hey vazius, just what the hell is your point?
Unfortunate Death Says: November 7th, 2004 at 12:39 am
You are an idiot if:
1. You agree with this list.
2. You wrote this list.
Maverick Says: November 7th, 2004 at 1:04 am
To unfortunate Death:
I personally know this man that wrote this list and he is one of the smartest men I have ever met, and if you were ever priviliged enough to meet this man he would be happy to poke holes in all your liberal theories, so before you go making blind accusations just because you can, try and show some respect. Which considering you are a liberal, I do understand dosent come naturally.
Nam Vet Says: November 8th, 2004 at 11:04 am
September 1967 through December 1968, 504th Military Police Battalion, Delta Company, Viet Nam. Stopped by for this trip and won’t be back here but must make a comment to Jonathan Ferguson. Sir, you sit at home posting on the internet with your computer, saying anything you’d like with no fear at all that George Bush is coming to get you and your entire family and stick bamboo shoots under your fingernails? You really think you live in a fascist country? Your an idiot. I’m sorry Veterans ever had to die for your freedom. Your only free now to preach your lies because your forefathers didn’t believe the same shit you do. And by the way, Kerry was a traitor and most of us Viet Nam Vets know it.
Serbian National Says: November 8th, 2004 at 7:06 pm
Hey Fergy, here’s a very, very, VERY simple example that you can understand that may help you open your closed mindedness on the position of the “Fascist” party – the fact that you can say that they are fascist without being tortured like Nam Vet said above. There are liberal media channels as well, and I think that those are the only ones you watch. Maybe you should be the one opening your mind perhaps, but that thought never occured to you, did it?
The problem with our political system as of now is just that – few people are looking at the issues, they are supporting their candidate to the death. Some people are moderates, but many, many more are either diehard liberals or diehard conservatives who put up a facade of moderatism. The entire Kerry campaign was “Vote for the Other Guy,” and then entire Bush campaign was “Remember 9/11.” I sure hope that politics will go through a Renaissance when the Unnamed Generation comes into power – it could sure use it. Politics today is a bunch of scare tactics – we need to go back to fireside chats on the issues. I do not know when politics became about people (and what’s more, their past) instead of the effect those people will have on the nation. Unless their past will indeed have that sort of effect, then it should not be included in the campaign.
All of that is, of course, idealistic, but we should all attempt to acheive perfection, no?
fuji Says: November 22nd, 2004 at 10:22 am
Kay…in reponse to posting 15…ummm…I am a liberal – and I’ve fallen into your trap – but what is the third Caliphate? I’m familiar with the Umayyad and the Abbasid Caliphates but what’s the third one? Or is this some clever joke refering to the Ba’ath regime?
Serb National Says: November 23rd, 2004 at 2:26 am
Good luck illiciting a response from good ol’ Draco – he’s been silent for a week or so.
Suzanne Katz Says: December 3rd, 2004 at 1:25 am
HELP!
I just read each and every comment about Liberals, now I am really confused.
First, I do believe Kennedy did some real good things for this country.
As to other comments, well, don’t really think many of you know the true meaning of what a Liberal is. Would someone give me an exact description of a Liberal?
-Can one believe in one Liberal Idea, and not be one?
-Can one have his or her own personal beliefs, and not be a “LIBERAL”?
-Does one have to be either a D or an R and if one is neither of the two, are they then doomed to be an L?
-Or can one just be themselves, and not carry a label?
-Can I believe that which I believe and not be any of the three?
-Is it necessary in politics to be under one of the three categories, or can one just believe what is right, what is fair and what is best for America?
Can I please just me?
I am what I am, what else could I be,
When you look into my eyes you get what you see.
I stand where I stand just to be me.
Understand if you can, that I am who I am.
Think twice before you try to read me,
Before you try to lead me into your trap.
Understand if you can that I am who I am,
I stand where I stand, I believe what I believe.
I don’t play by any other rules, only my rules.
I won’t loose this game nor will I play this game.
Ron Says: February 10th, 2005 at 9:15 pm
Damn i love this site.Guess that makes me brainwashed by Bill Oreily too huh?LOL
Ron Says: February 10th, 2005 at 9:23 pm
FUNNY THING IS THIS LIBERAL IDIOT SAID THAT THE DAILY NEWS FANS ARE SMARTER THAN FOX NEWS FANS.WELL EVEN JON STEWART LAUGHS AT PEOPLE WHO TAKE HIS SHOW SERIOUSLY, AND ALOT OF THE FANS WHO WATCH EITHER SHOW, ARE THE SAME DAMN PEOPLE. YOU KNOW YUOR A LIBERAL IF YOU PAY ATTENTION TO SURVEYS
Stohn Says: February 27th, 2005 at 10:09 pm
You might be a liberal if you attack a conservative’s clothing, hair, sexuality, mother, mother’s brother’s first wife’s boss’s daughter’s boyfriend’s third cousin twice removed…but never actually prove them wrong
Dave Says: March 23rd, 2005 at 9:57 pm
Why do liberals always resort to the “education” thing when trying to exert their superiority over us ignorant redneck conservatives? Being EDUCATED deos not automatically make one INTELLIGENT!! They are 2 very seperate things. Anyone can be educated and still be dumb. And by the way liberals of the world…EVERYONE is ignorant!! Ignorance is NOT stupidity. Ignorance means having a lack of knowledge about a particular topic, NOT being stupid. You liberals are all ignorant about something, just as we all are. So stop touting education as some kind of trait that identifies your intellect…it is simply not so. I know quite a few people who are not only possess or are seeking a college education, but are adamantly conservative as well. Conservatives believe in personal responsibility, less government, the concept of good and evil, and that people should be free to makes their own choices and also free to suffer the consequences of these decisions if they turn out to be bad ones. We don’t have to be told what to do and think, because we are not mindless indoctrinated robots whose only answer to any problem is to ask the government to bail us out of trouble. We are conservative because we believe in the values and concepts of conservatism and because we CHOOSE to be.
Dave Says: March 23rd, 2005 at 10:01 pm
You might be a liberal if you think that your policies and ideas are always right but can’t name one that has actually worked.
Anonymous Says: March 24th, 2005 at 12:20 am
you guys are idiots
Julian Says: March 24th, 2005 at 2:47 am
Dave, In response to comment 166 and your statement that liberals can’t name a policy or idea that has actually worked. Well a liberal might rightfully argue that the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution of the United States, the Bill of Rights, and the abolition of the slavery in the US, all of which were liberal ideas and policies, have been pretty successful so far. I could name many more if you wish but those pop into mind immediately.
Dave Says: March 24th, 2005 at 8:03 pm
Julian, I would say that you are sadly mistaken, especially about the abolition of slavery. President Lincoln, who signed the Emancipation Proclamation declaring that slaves were free, was arguably NOT a liberal!! And as for the idea that our founding documents were liberal policies, I would say that is BULL—-!! The people who made the long journey to this country to get away from their English masters were driven by the idea of freedom and the right to self govern without undue influnence from the Queen, the church, or any other agent of the governemt. This is clearly a conservative idea, as we can see every day in America. Liberals have consistently shown themselves to be in favor of bigger and more intrusive government in the form of more and larger taxes, an uneven taxation system which penalizes the wealthy and rewards laziness, social programs that aim to coddle those among us who refuse to work and provide for themselves when they are able, programs to force us all to be “politically correct” in manner and speech lest we offend someone or say something to piss someone off, on and on ad nauseum. Liberals love to tout the freedoms granted by our Constitution, but then try to impose laws against those they disagree with even if these laws go against the fiber of that very same Constitution.
Julian Says: March 25th, 2005 at 2:38 am
Dave, I disagree with several of your point in 169. First, Lincoln was indisputably a liberal. In fact, the Republican party was the liberal party in the 1860s. Second, the people who made the journey to this country to escape the oppression of people who wanted to impose religious values on them that they disagreed with were not the people who wrote the founding documents for this country. Your time frame is out of wack. Third, the Bush administration, which admittedly is not really conservative but is certainly not liberal either, has grown the government faster than any administration in history. Moreover, the huge government they have grown is the most intrusive government the US has had since King George (ironic huh?). Finally, I find it hard to imagine how one could see the deck as being stacked against the wealthy no matter how you look at it. If you think it is, the wealthy have made a sucker out of you.
Dave Says: March 25th, 2005 at 4:57 am
Julian, I understand that the people who first came here were not even alive at the time that the Constitution was written. Maybe I should have been more clear (although I am sure you would have found a way to argue regardless)…however, they still had the same MINDSET as the folks who came before…they were here because they wanted to escape the oppression of the reigning monarchy and have some say in how their own government was run (what a novel idea). In addition, in any conversation about liberals, lets not confuse “liberals” or “liberal politics” with the definition of the word “liberal”. The word “liberal” is defined, among other things, as 1) Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry. 2) Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.” I don’t see how you can claim that today’s liberal political party members are any of these things. Liberals ARE bigots…re: #1 above…the constant harassment of conservatives by calling us “ignorant; rednecks; uneducated” and making disparaging remarks about our level of education and intelligence compared to the “more highly educated (and so they claim more enlightened)” liberals. Liberals are NOT tolerant of the ideas and behaviors of others re: #2 above…liberals spend an overhwelming majority of their time trying to tell the rest of us how to think, talk, read, write and behave in accordance with their own beliefs and ridiculing OUR (conservatives) way of thinking as not being enlightened enough. You force feed your ideas and beliefs down our throats and then call us names like “homophobe” and “redneck” when we don’t agree with you. One of the really great things about this country we live in is that I don’t have to agree with you. (LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR RIGHT NOW…I AM NOT NOR DO I SUBSCRIBE TO ANY OF THE FOLLWOING BELIEFS, IDEAS, ATTITUDES OR BEHAVIORS…I USE THEM SIMPLY AS A WAY TO MAKE A POINT!!!) In this country, I can be a racist, sexist, “homophobic”, white supremacist asshole with an bad attitude, and as long as I don’t PHYSICALLY HARM anyone because of these thoughts, there isn’t a damn thing you can do about it. I can call someone a nigger, spic, kike, dyke, faggot or whatever I want to and you can’t stop me! THAT is what the Constitution gives me the freedom to do!! Anyone trying to pass legislation/laws to make it illegal to do so is not only NOT a liberal, but they are violating my CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS as well!! If I don’t want to hire a black person in my place of business, I DON’T HAVE TO!! If I don’t want to serve a homosexual, I DON’T HAVE TO!! There is nothing you can do about that. You cannot legislate my feeleings or beliefs, nor do you have the right to even try!!! Bush’s “intrusive” government that you refer to is intrusive in an attempt to protect the citizens of this country from another cowardly attack such as the one on 9/11, and THAT attack was brought on more by liberal crybaby policies and ideas which make us appear weak and vulnerable to our enemies than by any other reason!! And as for being a sucker because I think that a progressive tax rate is unfair and purposely slanted against the rich…how do you figure it is fair that someone who makes a million dollars a year has to pay a much higher tax rate than someone who makes $10,000? How is it fair that the more money you make, the more you pay? Where is the incentive for people to even attemnpt to make more money (hence become more prosperous and have a larger business, thereby providing more to the world in terms of products, services and whatnot) when they know you are going to take over half of it and give it to an already in debt and meddling government burueacracy run by greedy, arrogant, self-serving, crooked politicians (on both sides) whose only goal is to keep feeding off the people’s teats!? I am a sucker for wahting to see people keep more of what they earn, to spend themselves as they see fit? Is it any wonder that most extremely wealthy people have whole firms of accountants whose only job is to find loopholes so they can keep their own damn money!!? If trying to lower taxes on EVERYONE and provide incentive and opportunity for citizens to be wealthy and prosperous (the American Dream by the way…”…Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness…” you remember that?) makes me a sucker, then I wear the label proudly!!
Julian Says: March 25th, 2005 at 6:13 pm
Dave, I have to give a multipart reply to 171 because I am busy writing another document now. My complete reply will come in stages and will be presented in the order that you introduced the issues. You said “they still had the same MINDSET as the folks who came before…they were here because they wanted to escape the oppression of the reigning monarchy and have some say in how their own government was run (what a novel idea).” I think that you are talking about the “Puritans” who first settled in New England (or the “Saints”, as they humbly called themselves.) If memory serves me, the Puritans did not leave England because they disliked kings, per se. They just had a difference of opinion with the king about what the best form of christianity was – it was a religious tift, if you will. Most of the early English settlers in the US, however, can here not to escape the oppression of the Kings and Queens of England, but to serve them by establishing colonies in the US on England’s behalf. And they thought they could make fortunes. Remember the Virginia Company? The founders of our nation were quite different, philosophically and ideologically, from both the Puritans and the other early colonists. As for the religious positions of the founders, remember they voted down Frankilin’s suggestion to open congressional sessions with a prayer (only 4 of the founding members of congress were in favor of opening congress with a prayer, the rest voted against prayer in congress). I think this fact alone shows that they were quite different from the Puritans.
Julian Says: March 25th, 2005 at 8:26 pm
Dave, you said “Liberals ARE bigots…re: #1 above…the constant harassment of conservatives by calling us “ignorant; rednecks; uneducated” and making disparaging remarks about our level of education and intelligence compared to the “more highly educated (and so they claim more enlightened)” liberals.” Dave, your own derogatory comments about liberals were posted in a public forum. Furthermore, this very web site is named “Laugh at Liberals”, the stated mission of which is to berate an entire group of Americans. Finally, your comment appeared immediately after a comment by “anonymous” which stated “liberals are ignorant.” Hum, from reading the content of this web site it seems to me that liberals don’t have a monopoly on bigotry and gratuitous, pointless, mean-spirited behavior. I, for one, would not condone labeling anyone as “ignorant” or a “redneck” on the basis of his or her political affiliations. Political affiliation and intelligence, as measured by standardized testing, academic achievement, professional accomplishment, or personal success are not correlated as far as I can tell. And what’s wrong with being a redneck? I have many friends and relatives who proudly proclaim that they are rednecks. From what I’ve gathered, to be a redneck, one must have (1) one or more vehicles that are in disrepair sitting in your yard, (2) a confederate flag showing on your property or body, (3) a dog chained to something, and (4) a pickup truck and (or) bass boat that is worth more than your residence. Now if none of the above applies to you, then you are not a redneck. I am sorry if someone has hurt your feelings by calling you a redneck but my advice is, “don’t let it get to you.” It sounds like you are spending time around people who are giving you a pretty hard time. I suspect that it isn’t their political views that cause them to behave badly. I personally have a hard time stomaching the drivel of either conservatives or liberals when political conversations arise. I suspect that a major source of the problem is that we rely far too much on the corporate media (e.g., network TV news, cable TV news, and talk radio) for information and they are horrible sources across the board. I hear people parrot the nonsense that Al Franken or Rush Limbaugh spew and it breaks my heart. And news programs just play along with whatever the government party line happens to be. In fairness to them, their real job is deliver an audience to the advertisers. These days you have to work especially hard to ignore the “entertainers” and get to quality, reliable, information. Ironically, Jon Stewart conveys more quality information during his fake news show than the corporate news programs do when they are supposed to be reporting the real news. But I digress. I will get back on topic in my next post.
Dave Says: March 25th, 2005 at 10:47 pm
Julian, re:173 and my own post: I never said that a conservative couldn’t be a bigot. But the dictionary definition of liberal (#1 in my previous post) SAYS “…free from bigotry.” Don’t twist this around to make me the enemy. I was and still am talking about the liberal talking heads who claim to represent the group, who constantly harass and harangue conservatives and call us names, all the while claiming to be the party of tolerance and diversity!! The conservatives I know have never claimed to occupy such moral high ground. I know quite a few conservatives who will readily admit that they do not like liberals or liberal ideas, gays/lesbians, hippies, flag burners and what have you, and they do so out of a firm belief that this is a moral and just stand, based on their upbringhing and so on. This does not make them ignorant, uneducated, homophobes. They just believe that their morality and values are correct, and they refuse to be forced to adopt anyones else’s value system!!
Julian Says: March 26th, 2005 at 3:27 am
Dave, if the main groups that you don’t like are gay/lesbian, flag burners, and hippies, you are only talking about something in the neighborhood of 1-2% of the total population. I don’t think we have too much to worry about from them (and the gay/lesbian group is pretty much equally distributed across the conservative and liberal continuum). Its the other 98-99% of the folks that really worry me. You said that you don’t know any conservatives who claim to occupy the moral high ground. I can. What about Jerry Falwell and all of the entire religious right for starters? Finally, when I read the last sentence of 174 I thought, of course you don’t want to have to adopt someone else’s value system. Who would? You don’t have to adopt someone’s value system to treat them as your equal, do you? The Golden Rule will work just fine.
Paul Says: March 26th, 2005 at 8:46 pm
Julian, I am curious about your version of American history. I just want to make sure that I am understanding what you posted so that there is no confusion.
Are you implying that none of the founding fathers (the generation of the creation of our country) were christian?
Are you implying that the persecution of the “Puritans” was because of a “disagreement” with the king?
Are you implying that the “Puritans” were the only religious group seeking asylum in the new world and everyone else was seeking fortune?
Come now Julian, let us reason together. I would be the first to say that Dave’s post is dogmatic but..um…so was yours.
Julian Says: March 26th, 2005 at 9:09 pm
Dave, I want to address your point in comment 171 about the tax burden on the rich as a disincentive for the rich to work hard. Believe it or not, I recently had precisely this conversation with a friend who thinks he has it hard. As he put it, “I have a problem. The taxes on my income this year are 6 million dollars. It isn’t fair that I have to pay so much and others pay so little.” He went on to say, as you did, that he was experiencing a disincentive because if he made more money he would just have to pay more in taxes. His point struck me as ludicrous because we are talking about a guy who makes over $10 million a year talking about losing his motivation to work because of taxes. Now the real problem for our country, as I see it is this: it costs a lot to run this country and 10 percent of the people control 90% of the wealth of the country. So the 10 percent should rightfully expect to have to shoulder much more of the burden, just as they have benefited the most from capitalizing on the resources (human, natural, and others) that are our commonwealth. A major issue is that our current national debt is $8 trillion (that’s 8 million billion dollars or 8,000,000,000,000). This year’s deficit is over $400 billion. So we are writing checks we can’t cash. The poor and middle class are far more limited in terms of their ability to generate the funds to keep us from going bankrupt because they don’t control the wealth. Obviously, we need to control government spending. Neither Bush nor the congress seem to be able to get a handle on their spending habits. They like expensive stuff – especially military hardware and Bush’s faith-based missile defense program. The war has cost us $200 thousand million so far (money we borrow from the Chinese, by the way. So the interest is compounding daily). During WWII the highest tax bracket was 95%. The idea was the poor fight the wars and the rich pay for them. The poor still fight the wars, but the rich no longer hold up their end of the bargain. Bush wants to shift more of the tax burden over to the middle class, a group that, on the whole, has little budget elasticity left. But we have to pay our country’s debt while also funding ongoing services. Remember, debt is the tax that we are imposing on our children. Bush has increased that tax at a record rate.
I will come back to you point about how Bush has cannibalized personal freedoms in the name of “nation security” when I have a few moments.
Julian Says: March 27th, 2005 at 12:04 am
Paul, The Puritans’ primary complaint with the Anglican Church was that it was soft on catholicism. The name Puritan arises from their desire to “purify” the church of catholicism. To your other point, some of our founding fathers were quite religious (e.g., John Adams) and others were certainly not christian, at least in any traditional sense (e.g. Jefferson). But they did vote overwhelmingly against starting congressional sessions with prayer. That’s just a fact – no dogmatism is required.
Julian Says: March 27th, 2005 at 12:09 am
Paul, as to your question – “are you implying that the “Puritans” were the only religious group seeking asylum in the new world and everyone else was seeking fortune?” I know of no other groups who were seeking religious asylum (In fact the Puritans weren’t exactly seeking religious “asylum” – they just couldn’t stand the Anglicans and Catholics). Many settlers of the new world were clearly bent on imposing their religion on the native peoples, or killing them – whichever came first.
Julian Says: March 27th, 2005 at 12:26 am
Paul, I didn’t say that none of the founders of our government were christian and I don’t see how you interpreted my comment in that way. Regardless of their personal opinions and beliefs, however, I do think that the founding fathers were wise in designing the government in such a way that it has a reasonable chance of protecting itself from two equally deadly enemies of democracy – kings (or, currently, too much executive branch authority) and religion. Religion plus democracy always becomes theocracy, democracy without the good part. I fear that Iraq’s fate is such.
Julian Says: March 27th, 2005 at 2:34 am
Paul and Dave, I am not sure why any respectable person would want to remind the world that the Puritans were the first europeans to settle here. The Puritans were not good people. They tortured anyone who disagreed with them (although I am sure our attorney general wouldn’t call stoning torture). They would burn you and all of your stuff if they thought you caused an eclipse or some other natural phenomenon. Puritanism was a whacky religious cult like the Moonies except more willing to squash you under large stones. By the way, what is the connection between Rush Limbaugh and the Moonies. Every time I hear him he is quoting the Washington Times, a publication owned by the Reverend Moon himself. And Jerry Falwell used to be fiercly opposed to Moon. Then Rev Moon donated $2 million to Falwell’s Liberty College and now Moon is OK in Falwell’s book. And remember when all of those republican senators and congressmen attended the Rev Moon’s coronation? They said they didn’t know how they ended up there. But the Rev Moon is a major donor to the Republican party. I don’t get the connection. Is it purely financial or do conservatives believe Moon’s story?
Julian Says: March 27th, 2005 at 6:11 am
Want to know more about the connection between Bush, the republican party, and the Moonies? Check out this link. http://www.globalpolicy.org/ngos/analysis/1101moon.htm
Section 9 is particularly interesting.
Julian Says: March 27th, 2005 at 9:05 pm
Paul, I am still wondering what you were talking about when you questioned whether most of the early settlers (other than the Puritans) came to the new world to make their fortunes. The Spanish and Portuguese are always portrayed as the only gold-seekers. But the English settled all along the east coast because that is where they thought the gold was. The explicit goal of the Virginia Company was to find gold for King James I. Other, including my own family and many of numerous wealthy families I know, received huge land grants in the colonies from the king. They served England proudly. The people who came here were not primarily to flee persecution but to work for the king as colonists. Later, English prisoners were relocated to the colonies as well – especially those pesky Scottish sheep thieves, whose descendents have overpopulated my town. I know that this clashes with the sanitized and romanticized version of the colonists portrayed by Hollywood, classroom texts, and summer re-enactments. You probably know that President Bush is a descendant of Francis Cooke, John Howland, and Henry Samson, all passengers on the Mayflower (W’s mother and father are both Mayflower passenger descendents! So was John Kerry, btw). It is my understanding that his ancestors were not Puritan Separatists (but Hugh Hefner’s were! Ha!) but were traveling as business people. As it turned out, getting here early gave the family a major advantage. Another piece of trivia, Bush and John Hinckley (Reagan’s would-be assassin) are both descendents of Plymouth’s governor Thomas Hinckley.
Dave Says: March 28th, 2005 at 9:31 pm
Julian, as usual when talking to liberals, you still just don’t get it do you? My whole point from the very beginning has been that you and your just can’t leave us and ours alone. You just keep talking no matter how much we tell you that we don’t like liberals and liberalism and we don’t want to accept or conform to your way of thinking!! I don’t accept your views!! That is really what it is all about. And I don’t appreciate you or anyone else trying to force feed your politically correct crap down my unwilling throat!! I have seen time and again the results of liberals attempts to push their version of “diversity” and “acceptance” and “peace at all costs” (just a few among a myriad of ridiculous ideas) on this country and the world. Face it liberals, despite how you would PREFER it to be…most of the worlds’ population IS religious, taxes ARE too high on everyone including the rich (who by the way are the driving force behind this society and our capitalist system), government in the United States IS TOO intrusive, and socialism is a failure no matter where it has been tried!!! You simply cannot or refuse to accept and/or acknowledge that there are those like myself in the world who think that your policies and viewpoints are flawed and thouroughly without merit!! New ideas are great, and have probably resulted in some much needed changes in our society throughout history. However, every major liberal, socialist driven, well meaning, social program that has ever been enacted in this country has backfired and turned into a major fiasco!!! Look at social security…an attempt by liberals to make the U.S. government into the worlds biggest babysitter. Look at unemployment compensation…rampant with abuses and hundreds of cases where people who are truly deserving get nothing while those who have abused and stolen from the system get away with it for years. Look at welfare…again, abuses and cheating and no one ever seems to get caught, much less punished. Look at the prison system…the liberal concept of “treat ‘em and release ‘em” (as if committing a crime is a sickness instead of a failure of the individual to adhere to societies rules…another favorite liberal idea) instead of punishing them for their crimes has resulted in hundreds of rapes, child molestations, murders and other such violent and heinous crimes that never should have happened. Look at embargoes…whenever we have ever attempted to impose embargos against a foreign goverment in an attempt to force change instead of using force, the only people who get hurt are the regular folks who depend on us to help them get by. You want to rattle off statistics about how many innocent Iraqis have been killed since we started the war? How about how many innocent Somalians dies from starvation because we wouldn’t take decisive military action to get rid of the warlords and insure that food and aid got the people who needed it? How easily you forget!! How many Bosnians on all sides of the conflict died needlessly because we tied the hands of the U. N. and wouldn’t take forceable action to stop the genocide? We were there but we refused to let the military do anything…what’s the point of sending someone aid if you don’t actually do anything to make sure they get it!! And as for the civilian loss of life in Iraq, I would dare say that, barring a handful of accidents which are an unfortunate but neverless present part of any war, the majority of those people did not die DIRECTLY at the hands of our military, but at the hands of insurgents loyal to Saddam Hussein and the status quo!! I am sorry that it happens, but it does. War is hell, but ask the Jews if an embargo against Germany would have helped save the 6+ million of them who were killed by nazis. Ask the Kuwaitis if an embargo would have driven Iraq out of their country. As k the Somalias if the warlords ever listened to reason and polite rhetoric. I think we all know the answers. And the superiority complex that most liberals display is exemplified in your words…”I will come back to you point…” blahblahblah, indicating that you think you are right and I am wrong and I need you to steer me on the true path to personal edification. I think it is just about time for us to agree to disagree. I don’t support liberal policies and I don’t think that you hold the answer to the world’s problems. You people have tried you way, and it doesn’t work.
Lug Says: March 29th, 2005 at 12:32 am
Want to learn more about the corrupt Democrap party that the Lib moonbats here defend?:
herehere.
here.
Julian Says: March 29th, 2005 at 2:06 am
Dave,
I’m not a liberal. Seriously, I just think for myself and detest ignorance.
Julian Says: March 29th, 2005 at 2:16 am
Dave,
As I have said before on this site, the conservative vs liberal debate is just like the coke vs pepsi choice. I think most liberals are generally full of shit. The biggest problem that I have with conservatives these days is that they have been taken over by the neoconservative parasites like Wolfowitz, Feith, and Perle. Those guys are complete nuts and they have total control of the Bush administration. And conservatives traded in conservatism for their cheap promises and a pathological desire to take over the world. I think most conservatives are entirely oblivious to the fact that they are just hosts for the neoconservatives who will dump you like a turd when they can’t use you any more.
Julian Says: March 29th, 2005 at 4:18 am
Lug, if you like to look into corrupt politicians, you would enjoy today’s op-ed piece on Tom Delay in the Wall Street Journal.
Julian Says: March 29th, 2005 at 4:34 am
“They (insurgents) are able to maintain the level of violence between 50 and 60 attacks a day,” General Casey said.
Here’s a question for the group. If the insurgents are launching 50 to 60 attacks per day, why does the corporate media only report 4 or 5? Some serious sanitizing is, and has been, going on with the “War” in Iraq and the mainstream news media is either incompetent, afraid to The Administration, or collaborating with the disinformation and propaganda machine in the White House.
Dave Says: March 29th, 2005 at 4:44 am
Julian, maybe what I need to do is clarify. When I talk about liberals or conservatives, I am NOT referring to politicians! We all know that pretty much all politicians, regardless of party or ideology, are full of crap and only in the game for what they can get out of it. When I talk about conservatives, I am talking about Joe Smith the average American, people like me who live and work raise our familes in this country. I am talking about people who by and large are religious, family oriented, moral, upstanding, hardworking, folks who just want to do their own thing and be left alone. I don’t think that is too much to ask. And when I talk about liberals, I am not referring to the politicians either, I am talking about professors and pundits and protestors, animal rights wackos and anything goes freakos who seem to seek to destroy everything that makes this country good and decent, in favor of some idealistic fairyland where all people are smoke-free vegetarian peacniks who share all the money and no one ever goes hungry, and eveil people don’t exist. And this world has never and will never exist, because people are by nature flawed and cannot become perfect, no matter how hard we try, and there are simply some people in this world (the Adolph Hitlers and the Saddam Husseins) who just want to control or kill anyone who doesn’t think or look like they do! You cannot reason with people like this. Liberals think that more government intervention into everyone’s lives will somehow miraculously bring about some fantasy Eutopia where everyone loves everyone and free sex and drugs abound. So does that clarify for you who I am railing against? Politicians are just a reflection of the people who elect them, and are as fleeting as the sun on a cold winter’s day. They do not and never have been representative of the beliefs of the people as a whole. They simply do what is expedient at the time. The people are the ultimate power in this country, and ironically liberals seem to seek to destroy the very country and freedoms that allow them to BE liberal idiots in the first place!!
Julian Says: March 29th, 2005 at 2:14 pm
Dave, I can appreciate where you are coming from here. The only thing I would add is that both conservatives and liberals are living in idealistic fairylands. They are different fairylands, to be sure. But they are both based on illusions.
Lug Says: March 29th, 2005 at 4:07 pm
Julian! Repubs could never come close to the corruption of the Democrat party!
Julian Says: March 29th, 2005 at 4:51 pm
Lug, why support any party that is corrupt? If it’s wrong for them, isn’t it wrong for republicans too? Why overlook your party’s corruption on the basis of the other party’s misdeeds>
Dave Says: March 29th, 2005 at 8:11 pm
Julian, well that is where I would differ from you. I happen to think that conservative values and beliefs are what created this country and got us to where we are today, and what will keep us alive and healthy into the future. Our country is the one place that just about everyone in the world wants to come to…indeed many of them p\ut themselves in harms way to get here. What other country can you name where people literally risk their very lives to get there? And what other country can you name which has such rich diversity of people living and working together? There certainly aren’t any communist countries which fit that description, and very few European countries have the mix of people that we have. This is not to say that we don’t have our fair share of problems, but if you look at the United States and then take a close look at the rest of the world, you will notice that by far we get along together in this country better than anyone anywhere else, especially considering the level of diversity and the mix of people we have here. And I personally happen to believe that this is because conservative values and beliefs have made it a safe, productive, value driven society in which to live and raise a family. In my opinion, every action that the liberals take makes it seem as if they seek to destroy that. How many times have we seen liberal actors/actresses, musicians, college professors, newspeople, journalists and the like, who claim to speak for the masses, ridiculing, insulting, and otherwise downgrading this country and our way of life? It happens constantly. They want to tear down what we have and rebuild the United States in their own image. But it would be a United States of politically correct thought and speech, a place ruled by the “educated” liberal elite, where you could be legislated against for smoking, or speaking your mind, or daring to go against the liberal status quo, or using racial slurs or saying anything which could potentially “offend” someone or hurt their little feelings. I personally do not want to live in a society where I have to watch everything I say for fear of breaking some insane law that actually violates my Constitutional freedom of speech in the name of political correctness, all funded by progressively higher and more taxs which I never agreed to or voted for!! But that is exactly what is no store for us if we allow the liberalization of our lifestyle. As I said before…PROGRESSIVE ideas and concepts are fine, and I fully support the integration of any well thought out idea or concept which seeks to make our country a better place for everyone to live. But liberalism ain’t it!! I do NOT support laws or regulations designed to punish those who have been targeted by the liberal elite (re:laws fining gun manufacturers, or other large corporations), or to pay “restitution” to those who the liberals have identified as somehow being unfairly treated (re:affirmative action and reparative payments to blacks, asians and others for past deeds perpetrated by our ancestors against people who aren’t even alive anymore). These are the ideas that need to go. We need to get back to a society of self supporting, hard working people who are free to exercise their rights to make their own decisions, and held accountable for those decisions, and who uphold their obligation to be personally responsibile for the consequences of those decisions. We do not need the government, in any form, to be our babysitters or hold our hands when the going gets tough. I am and always have been responsibile for my own life, and I have not blamed anyone else for the misfortunes I have suffered, nor do I give credit to anyone but me for the good things I have. That is the CONSERVATIVE way, and that’s the way it should be!!!
Julian Says: March 30th, 2005 at 1:56 am
Dave, Thank you for the insights you have shared with me regarding the Conservative way. Warm regards, Julian
Bonniem Says: March 30th, 2005 at 2:47 pm
Well said, Dave!
Dave Says: March 30th, 2005 at 5:44 pm
Julina, I guess I am being dismissed! So I am free to go now? Thanks so much. As least you refrained from calling me an ignorant redneck because I don’t agree with you.
Dave Says: March 30th, 2005 at 5:44 pm
Bonniem, thanks.
Ryan Says: April 25th, 2005 at 9:14 am
You might be a liberal if:
1. You have an extremely high IQ
2. You aren’t a hick
3. You think Jon Stewart is funny
4. You are artistic
5. You are freethinking
Bonniem Says: April 26th, 2005 at 6:39 pm
And then again you might be a conservative if you have an extremely high IQ, you aren’t a hick or a snob, you think Jon Steward is funny but realize that the news on his show is for fun and not for real, as some liberals on this very site have said, if you are artistic and freethinking using rationale and you high IQ & good sense.
Cody Says: April 26th, 2005 at 10:22 pm
Good lord. Can’t you liberals just shut it? Bush won! Kerry LOST! Don’t think that by you dissing Republicans like me will get Kerry in office. Just forget it! Jeeze! This is like all those Democrats who thought that Bush threw out the Florida votes years ago. It’s in the past. GET OVER IT!
Rick Taschek Says: April 29th, 2005 at 2:17 am
I was looking for the FOX news web site to have daily headlines e-mailed rather than the N Y Daily news slant on things, and stumbled on your web site.
Needless to say, you are now officially bookmarked on my computer. Hey; can you e-mail me the headlines every day?
justin Says: May 12th, 2005 at 2:03 am
You might be a liberal if you have a “stop outsourcing” bumper sticker on the back of your subaru as you drive into Canada to purchase cheaper prescription drugs.
Circe Says: May 12th, 2005 at 4:00 am
Justin,
Good point. Why are american-made prescription drugs so much cheaper to buy in Canada than they are in the US?
J.T. Says: May 12th, 2005 at 6:55 pm
you might be a liberal if…
1. you actually believe that the world is round
2. you think Jesus wasn’t white and that he actually cared about the poor
3. you have black friends, and seriously think that whites and blacks should be going to school together
4. you’re too ingnorent to see how fags cause terrorism
5. you’ve ever given money to a charity or a homeless man on the street
6. you think we should actually conserve oil and recycle
J.T. Says: May 12th, 2005 at 7:06 pm
>I think that they are awful people, plain and simple.
ok i’m gonna say this once and for all. you say conservatives have morals and liberals are awful people. you often talk about how conservatives are religious and liberals hate religion. well how about this. liberals, those horrible people, believe in giving money to poor people. liberals believe that the poor aren’t the scum of the earth. maybe morals to you are keeping gays from getting married, but morals to me are helping those in need, and having compasion for others, and believing that we are all equal and god’s eyes and the we should all be treated as such(and notice i said treated equal, not treated the same). and as for religion, i’m gonna let it boil down to this: THE BIBLE STILL WORKS WITHOUT LEVITCUS 18:22 “A MAN SHALL NOT LIE WITH ANOTHER MAN AS HE WOULD WITH A WOMAN.”THE BIBLE DOES NOT WORK WITHOUT FORGIVENESS, UNCONDITIONAL LOVE, COMPASSION, AND HELPING THOSE IN NEED.
bonniem Says: May 13th, 2005 at 5:55 pm
Justin, I like your comment #203,lol! Isn’t that the truth?!
Alex Says: May 13th, 2005 at 11:34 pm
I DON’T FOLLOW POLITICS
Alex Says: May 14th, 2005 at 12:04 am
I am not a democrat but not a republican. I have no liberal, or conservative bias.
This is what i know…
CNN= liberal (paula zahn, etc.)
Fox News Channel= conservative (Bill O’Reilly, etc.)
Rush Limbaugh(or however you spell it)= conservative
Howard Stern= liberal
The daily Show with Jon Stewart= liberal
Realtime with Bill Maher = liberal
One thing: if conservatives were the ones that created this great country, then we would have a king and queen. The conservatives were the loyalists, who wanted to to CONSERVE the rule of Great Britain over colonial America. Just commenting on the false statement that Dave made.
Anyway…
Liberals think: All republicans are egoistic redneck assholes that force their way to power.
Conservatives think: All democrats are hippie tree huggers who want to kill babies and hate America.
I think we can all agree that bullshit is not true. The war in Iraq was right in my mind because there was no other way to deal with Saddam. Liberals were wrong.
Liberals, thinking they were right, started to complain about Iraq being the wrong war at the wrong time. The conservatives used the liberals complaints and accused them of being unpatriotic and not supportive of our troops. This is bullshit because they are totally for the troops. They want the troops to live. That is why they want the war to end so the troops can come home from a war that is in their mind a mistake. However, the Republicans accused them of not supporting a the troops in time of war. They argued that politics stop at the shoreline.(meaning at the start of war.) Everyone in the United States, except for some immigrants, Neo-nazis, communists, etc., is proud of the US.
I wouldn’t take that political stuff seriously like way too many douchebags that develop a hatred for the people with an opposing view on things.
I watch the daily show, listen to howard stern, watch bill o’reilly (for entertainment). Oreilly is entertainment because I hate the guy. Not because he is conservative or because he is republican, but because his ego is as high as napolean dynamite on crack. His show is biased, which I don’t mind, but biased by force. I encourage any liberal, don’t go on the show if you want peole to hear your side of the story. Even the conservatives who simply disagree with him on some subject don’t waist your time. He tells you what he thinks and then somehow forces the interviewee to agree with him. He is a fucking bitch. Jon Stewart is funny. So is Howard Stern. That’s why I watch them.
To all hardcore political minds out there. Fuck you. Have some fun in life and stop hating others. If you don’t like a bias in a show or newspaper, don’t watch/read it. There are plenty of opportunities to get your message out.
I’m out.
If you have actually read this, I feel sorry for you.
ConservativeKelli Says: May 15th, 2005 at 12:20 am
Yoy mean all democrats aren’t hippie tree huggers who want to kill babies and hate America? i seriously thought they were!!
Circe Says: May 15th, 2005 at 1:10 am
Alex for president!
Suzanne Says: May 15th, 2005 at 6:13 am
Oh, my goodness Zack, I guess I did not read all of this you wrote. On the other hand, I did my usual speed-reading.
I also respect Zack, I also think he is a very smart man a kind man, but a bit on the (Oops – Religious Right brainwashed Psy problem)
However, there is one very important fact about this man. He will listen to all thoughts but as what he does with them, well that is his business. I have tried to change his thinking, but decided I like him exactly as he is right now. A wonderful person to agree to disagree with. However, then I must say, I have learned so much from this man. Never met him, not in person, not yet anyway. Nevertheless, do you what to know something? Even with his problem with being the Religious Right, guess who I go to if I have a very serious problem and need an honest answer. Yes, Zack and he has never let me down, not once, and his advise and answers were excellent and I did follow them..
Now enough of the build up Zack,
How did I miss this one? I always read everything you write, oh yes you know how much I love your writing. Must have done my usual speed reading,
Well, this is what I have come up with.
Not as to your list as to what makes a Liberal but from the comments so here goes
1-I sorta believe the world is kinda round
2- I so have an extremely high IQ
3. I am not a hick
4- I am very artistic
5- And yes, you know I am very freethinking
(From Dave’s comment)
6- I just think for myself and detest ignorance
7- Thought Clinton was a great President, even with his little screw up.
8- Yes Kennedy did a lot for this country, like bring us all together, you know, “Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country?”
Have we forgotten that?
9- Guess I am not a Democrat because I do not want to kill babies but I do hug trees and even talk to them.
10- I think Rush Limbaugh is an idiot with a narrow mind and too macho, and if I ever met him in person, I think I would give him a good knee jab in the you know what area.
11-Lincoln was indisputably a liberal
12- Jesus was a Liberal
13- I do not meet any of Zacks list of being a Liberal (thank goodness for that)
14- Both Democrats and Republicans are into dirty politics, an unpleasant fact of life, and this will never change.
I do not think is wise that I give numbers 15-2000
OH loved this comment I found above
Now, is this person a Liberal or is this person just one of those with a high IQ or able to see that history is repeating itself. I have tried people with several long and interesting examples how we are following in the footsteps of Europe during those terrible years.
COMMENT:
“Wake up folks. It’s 1932 in Germany again. Not a perfect analogy, but close enough. Educate yourselves. Turn off FoxNews, CNN, FreeRepublic. Learn the truth. Don’t drink the Kool-Aid!”
PERFECTION AT ITS BEST!!!
After reading all the things that Liberals are supposed to be and what they think, Oh MY oh MY
Guess I am not a Liberal.
I am a Moderate so there.
Just because someone does not agree with either major Political Party does not make them a Liberal who hugs tress and kills babies and engages into terrible behaviors (meaning bad shit)
And or all the other items mentioned.
Lets just forget the R word, the D word the L word the C word and what ever other categories of words we use; and let us just discuss what the hell is going wrong with this country and this world; why does every one hate us, why is this country starving the poor, why are the Veterans coming home to no health care no services and becoming homeless.
What so few of you know about me is my military connection, actually see I cannot say anything against my President, (oath) but oh gee I do that so much.
I have served my country and served with pride. My daughter is in the reserves, my Father a retired Major, My rank none of your business.
I am an American with no label with the exception of “American”
Hey Zack, I came up with the perfect answer to that separation between church and state.
It is a combination of things you wrote and I wrote, it is so simple that is why it is so complicated.
God Bless American, someone has too we need help.
Love to all of you
Love to this site
Love to Zack
Love to Buck
Love to Julian
And especially Love to Mr. Jack He understands me
But more than that
Especially a Hugh amount of love to my dear friend in the UK.
Without you Patrick, I would be forever lost in Utah.
Thanks Patrick, One day, and yes one day.
Just a girl with the name of flowers
Who believes, well who just believes
A citizen of the World
Born in America
Suzanne
witt Says: May 15th, 2005 at 5:39 pm
Dear Conservative Bastards,
Any of you who think that being a republican is patriotic obviouslky don’t know the meaning of the word. I think republicans are stupid, and any of you who dissagree can email me a reason that you might think will sway my opinion. I don’t plan on getting any e-mails, because after all, republicans are heartless, spineless, and at sometimes it seems as if they are even brainless.
daring you to write back,
witt reese
witt Says: May 15th, 2005 at 5:44 pm
I am starting a new democratic support party in the state of MA. Anyone interested in jumping on board feel free to email me at reesef@avonoldfarms.com.
still thinking Kerry should have one,
Witt
Suzanne Says: May 15th, 2005 at 9:04 pm
Witt, or Wilt, what ever still can not real the letters on this page
Not all Republicans are stupid some are very smart and love this country and many Republician Presidents in the past have been excellent Presidents. It is just this one I am so doubtful of. Is it his fault, well, if he was out enjoying himself when the WhiteHouse was or could have been in danger, and was not even notified, well does that give you an idea of who is really running this country?
And why was he not at work? He is at his ranch or playing more than you or I do in 10 years and he does it all in three months.
A president belongs at the White House doing things Presidents are elected to do.
Not riding horses in a beautiful park.
There is a war going on, there are problems in this country. We are in major debt, and our President is hiding away riding horses while a play flys in the no fly zone around the White House and is not even notified as what action to take?
Again
My Oh My.
I wonder, had the same event taken place when Clinton was president, would he have been notified? What about Kennedy, what about Ragen?
I think they would have been and would have acted.
Not just stayed away riding a horse with an empty mind.
So, narrow your comments to specific Republicans as not all are as you say, same goes with Democratics, and any other political party.
You can not just put together a group of people a make a statement like that and sound like you are not the same as you say they are
Heartless, spineless, brainless, and stupid.
Pick the one which matches your description and then I will send you an email.
Until then, I took your dare, now take mine
Suzanne
Suzanne Says: May 15th, 2005 at 9:10 pm
And a double Damn, I love this site also
boy what a way to start the day and end the day
sure gets the mind a working
Please everyone keep up all the comments, it does not matter if no one agrees with you or if everyone agrees with you.
Do Americans ever really agree on much of anything?
With a few exception, I would say no.
But we do agree that we all have the right to disagree and disagree and still love each other
What a way to start my Sunday. Love it Love it and love it more
Suzanne
Oh just finished talking to several trees and hugging them, also talked to a few birds, did not kill any babies, did pray to God. Oh brushed my hair.
then came to Laugh at Liberals.
is this mean I am addicted to this site?
do I need rehab?
Zack, you answere that last question OK
Suzanne
J.T. Says: May 16th, 2005 at 1:23 am
>the fact that I’m a former lib means a few things:
1 I know how you think
ok draco, no matter how much you can spout off at me, know matter how badly you could beat me in a debate, that comment proves a certain level of ignorance i could not top. you don’t know how i think. you are not me. im not sure if i even know how i think. you don’t know how people think
Roxanne Says: May 16th, 2005 at 8:19 pm
Dear Mr. Witt Reese
I am sorry to inform you but your statement is wrong. Republicans are not heartless, spineless, nor brainless. If we were then why are we so much against killing unborn fetuses? Also, if we are so heartless, then how come I think rapists should get their dicks cut off and to make it fair if it was a girl they should get sewn up, so they cannot hurt another person again. If I was so heartless, tell me why I believe murders should die? My reasoning is so they never have a chance to kill another innocent person again. You might say that why take a life for a life? Isn’t that murdering too? Yes, in one sense but no in another. If they didn’t know the consequence that would be different but they do. For every action there is a reaction. But if your so against the death penalty, then I say torture the murders. In Singapore, they do and the area is much safer. You can’t possibly tell me that if you knew you would be tortured, that you would still commit the crime? The Hammurabi Code: “an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth”, to me is something to live by. Knowing it allows me never to think about inflicting pain on an innocent person. I know that liberals are not heartless either but some can be in other forms. Such, as do you believe that a innocent unborn child should die because of the parents stupidity. If worst comes to worst and the woman has a right to abort a baby then it should be mandatory that her fallopian tubes should be slit, so they are unable to abort another. If they are going to be a so called bad parent or don’t want a child because of selfishness than I say just give it up for adoption. Who knows the baby that they aborted could find the cure for cancer. I wouldn’t also say that we are spineless. That is the one thing that most liberals, except a few like yourself, would definatly never call us. We are the group that will go for and stick up for what we believe in. We are the one’s that join the military and risk our lives to give you the right to say everything you do. Granted, not everyone in the military is Republican but the majority is. But don’t get me wrong I am not saying liberals are either. I give your group a lot of credit for saying some of the words they say. No matter how improper, unfactual and sometimes immature. Your right at least I couldn’t have the spine to state some of the things your group does. I need facts to back up my thoughts, actual facts. But I would have no problem fighting for my country, or going into a burning building to save someone. But I do admit your ideas and wishes are great. Every decent human wants world peace and a clean environment. Unfortunately, it doesn’t come free. That is a utopia that is impossible to get to. So we need to play the cards dealt with. I am not saying that you should become Republican but that you shouldn’t attack us like you did. The reason Republicans tend to call liberals spineless is that they don’t stick up for what is right when it comes down to it. They can’t stand to the enemy (which believe it or not, it is not Republicans) alone and help along that which is right. What most tend on doing is sitting back and just screaming/protesting instead of getting up and making a difference in a more mature manner. At this point I cannot explain further because I am running out of time. I am a Pre-Med student, but since I am so dumb I hope you never need to depend on me to save your life. After all I am brainless so instead of pulling wisdom teeth, I might pull off your nose. Sorry, just a bit of humor. But seriously, all I ask is open your eyes to new possibilities, ideas and realities.
Roxanne
Roxanne Says: May 16th, 2005 at 8:19 pm
Dear Mr. Witt Reese
I am sorry to inform you but your statement is wrong. Republicans are not heartless, spineless, nor brainless. If we were then why are we so much against killing unborn fetuses? Also, if we are so heartless, then how come I think rapists should get their dicks cut off and to make it fair if it was a girl they should get sewn up, so they cannot hurt another person again. If I was so heartless, tell me why I believe murders should die? My reasoning is so they never have a chance to kill another innocent person again. You might say that why take a life for a life? Isn’t that murdering too? Yes, in one sense but no in another. If they didn’t know the consequence that would be different but they do. For every action there is a reaction. But if your so against the death penalty, then I say torture the murders. In Singapore, they do and the area is much safer. You can’t possibly tell me that if you knew you would be tortured, that you would still commit the crime? The Hammurabi Code: “an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth”, to me is something to live by. Knowing it allows me never to think about inflicting pain on an innocent person. I know that liberals are not heartless either but some can be in other forms. Such, as do you believe that a innocent unborn child should die because of the parents stupidity. If worst comes to worst and the woman has a right to abort a baby then it should be mandatory that her fallopian tubes should be slit, so they are unable to abort another. If they are going to be a so called bad parent or don’t want a child because of selfishness than I say just give it up for adoption. Who knows the baby that they aborted could find the cure for cancer. I wouldn’t also say that we are spineless. That is the one thing that most liberals, except a few like yourself, would definatly never call us. We are the group that will go for and stick up for what we believe in. We are the one’s that join the military and risk our lives to give you the right to say everything you do. Granted, not everyone in the military is Republican but the majority is. But don’t get me wrong I am not saying liberals are either. I give your group a lot of credit for saying some of the words they say. No matter how improper, unfactual and sometimes immature. Your right at least I couldn’t have the spine to state some of the things your group does. I need facts to back up my thoughts, actual facts. But I would have no problem fighting for my country, or going into a burning building to save someone. But I do admit your ideas and wishes are great. Every decent human wants world peace and a clean environment. Unfortunately, it doesn’t come free. That is a utopia that is impossible to get to. So we need to play the cards dealt with. I am not saying that you should become Republican but that you shouldn’t attack us like you did. The reason Republicans tend to call liberals spineless is that they don’t stick up for what is right when it comes down to it. They can’t stand to the enemy (which believe it or not, it is not Republicans) alone and help along that which is right. What most tend on doing is sitting back and just screaming/protesting instead of getting up and making a difference in a more mature manner. At this point I cannot explain further because I am running out of time. I am a Pre-Med student, but since I am so dumb I hope you never need to depend on me to save your life. After all I am brainless so instead of pulling wisdom teeth, I might pull off your nose. Sorry, just a bit of humor. But seriously, all I ask is open your eyes to new possibilities, ideas and realities.
Roxanne
Mr. Jack Says: May 16th, 2005 at 10:22 pm
It’s not republicans that are the problem, it’s conservitives. I remember from my Highschool A.P United States history class, we used to discuss democrats and republicans all the time, and interestingly enough, the Republican party used to be VERY left wing, take Theadore Rosevelt and Alexander hamilton for example, and Abe Lincoln, so when a conservitive states that the democrats are hipocrates that voted agianst civil rights and blah blah blah, this is a spin on fact, because at the time, the democrats were just as conservative as the republicans are now, and when the republicans fought for civil rights, they were pretty libral, and the Truly Great ones like Theadore Rosevelt, were Progressive. oh isn’t that just a slap in the face? a left wing liberal republican!! hurah!!! So, the next time you conservitive bastards want to use history to glorify your parties past, just remember, your past is liberal.
Mr. Jack Says: May 17th, 2005 at 10:46 pm
Roxxane: you do realize there are alternatives to the death penalty right? such as life in prison?
That choice to me is so much moreeconomical seeing as it costs millions of dollars for a person to be on death row, as the figures show, is far less expencive than all the plea bargins and court appeals etc.. that an inmate on death row has to go to, and plus, theyre likely to die in prision seeing as the actual execution is usualy 10 -20 yrs after the sentancing.
as for unborn fetuses, they eat up reasorces, over populate the world, and, if forced on a woman, are usually unwanted and can grow up with a whole buch of problems, see the book freakanomics for the ties between abortion and the crime rate, and the quality of foster homes have gone down significantly, so I really wouldn’t trust the baby to that. plus the unborn fetus is filled with stem cells that can be used to grow organs despratly needed, andeven repair irraversable damage to the brain and spinal cord, why have 2 broken lives when you can have one good one?
as dictated in the 1920′s, a democracy cannot legislate morality. look into prohabition, The Rise Of organizes Crime, more people drank during prohibition than before, and it made drug lords and maffia families EXTREAMLY RICH.
And besides, legislation of what you feel is “Right” can streach civil liberties, and make things much worse than they are tainting the american dream of life liberty and the presuite of happieness.
Anna Says: May 17th, 2005 at 11:47 pm
Mr. Jack,
Are you dictating your comments using speech recognition software? Using a Pocket PC? I did that for a while and found that the words were spelled in very “creative” ways. I am a few years younger than you (15). How do you like West Point? My father graduated from West Point in 1982. He is more opposed to the war in Iraq than I am.
Mr. Jack Says: May 18th, 2005 at 12:15 am
lol no, I just suck at spelling. and West point is great, I love it, accept for the morning drills, those were kinda a painfull the first year, but now they aren’t so bad. It’s a challange, but you get through it, just like closed minded conservitives
Circe Says: May 18th, 2005 at 6:09 pm
Roxanne,
You may have noticed that the address that Witt Reese gave was from a boarding school. I suspect that the real Witt Reese is getting a lot of emails from people like you who want to scold him. I also would bet that he is a hard-core conservative and some of his boarding school mates have played a trick on him and you. The comment posted under his name just strikes me as a hoax.
Nikki Says: May 19th, 2005 at 6:36 pm
This site is so cute, like little kittens spewing out hair balls. I just love reading this crap, because it is either one extreme or another. Your coservative, so you must be a redneck, psychotic christian, all American, go bomb and kill them but I’d rather stay at home and watch my troops die for nothing on fox news, I love Bush no matter how messed up and ignroant he is, lets pollute America to help the big man make more money, lets get rid of the middle class and help make the poor get poorer and the rich get richer people. And then there is the liberal, hippie, tree hugging, lets save the animals but kill babies, so called Michael Moore admirers, peace man, lets go smoke some dope, and trip on LSD people. Well it’s all cute really. I am a liberal, honestly I was just pushed to choose the lesser of the evils. Nothing is as more potent and poisioness as politics. I’ts so funny how emotionally people get involved in this crap. However I stand my ground, because I’m sick of seeing those damn stickers that say Bush and Christains Rock on every soccer moms SUV. I am so tempted to retaliate and replace those stickers with Bush=Bull Shit, and Rality Check; There is no God. By the way Glenn Beck is a Demagogue, and just as bad, and even worse then Michael Moore, at least Mr. Moore has no desire to “KILL” anyone.
Suzanne Says: May 20th, 2005 at 12:51 am
Comment to Mr Jack # 221
Again you are right
If I were a bad I mean a real bad person and was condemed to death, I think I would rather die than spend the rest of my life in prision.
Problems with Prision
You can not comment on Laugh at Liberals.
You can not –leaving that one alone because some can and do.
To me Freedom, and not those mentioned in my wordy Drama Queen comments and Post, but just
Freedom, freedom to get up when you wish, freedom to wear the clothing you wish, freedom to go whereever you wish to go on any given day.
You know the things we take for granted.
Well life in prision you do not or as far as I know have those freedoms, and to me I would rather be dead, so which would be the worst punishment for me if I were a wicked person who was scheduled to die at the hands of the law?
Life in Prision that would be worse than death.
Guess it all depends upon how one feels about where they go after they die.
And the actual truth of Heaven and Hell and that sort of thing.
But death, this is only punishing the family of the person who did the wrong, not the person themselves, death is better than life behind bars.
Or that is how I think.
Ten Commandents, something about not killing I think?
Yes and Eye for an Eye, well never have had that one explained to me.
Killing in war, well, I believe God understands the necessary need for this because it is kill or be killed.
But back to wordy Drama Queen
War in the name of God is like saying God approves of killing so back to
War in the name of the Devil
Suzanne
I still like you Mr Jack
great minds think alike at times
Hey comment above this one, did you write that you think there is no God?
Just wondering before I open my big mouth.
I do agree with some of your statements though.
Like SUV’s Socker Moms and Bush, Nope do not mix well.
Ok I am done, I will not no will not write this no Suzanne don’t
Darn I must
again
Seperation between church and state, Oops She did it again, but it backs up the comment above.
Does not matter if this person believes that there is or is not a God it is (I think you are a girl) it is her choice and this does not have any thing to do with her politics,
There I said it again
Suzanne
The Wordy Drama Queen who is a Moderate
Anonymous Says: May 21st, 2005 at 10:08 pm
WHAT A BUNCH OF HICK, WHITE TRASH BIBLE-BELTERS
bonniem Says: May 23rd, 2005 at 1:57 am
Anonymous, you sure show a lot of class there, kid!
jennifer Says: June 19th, 2005 at 5:46 pm
i totally agree, liberals are hate america ( so why are they still here)and have no morals, and they smell very bad
Mr. Jack Says: June 20th, 2005 at 3:56 am
Jennifer, I’m curious now, where oh where did you get the Idea liberals hate America? Are you trying to be patriotic by saying liberals hate America? If so, I think you’ve fallen for the mind tricks of a Nationalist, scary stuff, you don’t want to get into that. My suggestion is if you want to be a good conservative like Pizz and Leroidavid, look up facts and information and don’t listen to whatever news source you’re getting this outrageous information from, because it sounds a lot like nationalism, which is very, very, very bad!!!!
And as to the third part of your comment, only the Hippie liberals smell.
Che Says: June 21st, 2005 at 7:23 pm
Come off it, all you young reps should DO something, like enlist. Serve your ignorant, despotic, imperialist, supremely machiavellian country against the pitiful, doomed 3rd world. I tell you, Orwell is turning in his grave. as you are young, like me (14), you may have the privelege of interrogating me for terrorism when you are all loyal members of the NKVD of the future oligarchal, corrupt regime of the land of the free!
Andrew Says: June 24th, 2005 at 12:44 am
Keep up the fight Che. Read Marx. We will all end up there anyway. The only question is wheather it is before WW3 and the depletion of the world resources (I daubt we will have any oil) or after. My suggestion….run for the hills when they draft.
Nickle Says: June 24th, 2005 at 3:53 pm
Speaking as a radical, I laugh at liberals and fascists with equal force. Who is Liberal? I think all neo cons should don hoods and be wired for shock treatments myself. I’m neither a liberal or a neo con. I’m a radical vigilante. I say get out the jumping pin and make all the fat people get some exercise. Come on all you CEO’s get off your lard asses and dance off some of that dead weight! That includes you, Dick Cheney! Time for basic training. All Republican warmongers will be drafted and sent to Iraq without body armor in the next month.
George Washington was an isolationist.
The dichotomy between those with a natural tendency to be mean greedy and stupid, versus those with a natural inclination to be kind will be with you always. Pick one or the other. You have free will don’t you?
We are judged for our actions. There are a lot of words on this page. I’m with the Romans that deeds say a lot more about someone than their words. George W. Bush has made an art form of demagoguery. What value is in his words? Little if anything he ever says rings true. He has blatantly lied and offered no apology when the whole world found out. He’s the worst president since Dick-faced Nixon, and his whole party will exit leaving that same sucking sound that we have been hearing since the Lewinski scandal. It keeps getting louder. What’s really scandalous is a society of fat white men trying to outlive their own children by rendering them into cannon fodder. Other people’s children will do just fine if you are inherently an anal pore.
Next time you go to your shrink – remember to tell him: “I want to kill!” Maybe you can get the whole chatroom jumping up and down yelling: I want to kill. My advice is if you kill it, you ought to eat it.
Your violence begins with your knife and your fork. Don’t forget your straw.
joy Says: June 24th, 2005 at 10:54 pm
C’mon now Jennifer, Che,time to start practicing respect for others and thinking for yourselves. Practice speaking civilly to those with very different views from yours and have discussions rather than put-down sessions modeled by too many adults. You’re both (I’m assuming) Americans, so act like you’re from the same country, rather than enemies with no common ground.
Joy Says: June 25th, 2005 at 6:15 am
Um, #233- Nickle…you certainly are speaking as a radical, but a radical what? Radically putting everyone else down who doesn’t agree with you isn’t doing anything constructive. Your comment isn’t exactly on the kind side of the dichotemy you mentioned, so where does that place it in your judgement?
I, for one, am interested to see what type of radical you’re talking about, since radical is a descriptive word that needs to be describing what you’re radical about. Take some deep breaths, adjust your drug of choice intake to allow your mind to clear a bit and then try again, ok?
Peter Lucas Says: July 12th, 2005 at 8:30 pm
It just really amazes me the amount liberals think they know and how smart they think they are and that they can actually believe they are smart and know a lot while spouting nonsense about the evils of capitalism and prejudice. How smart can your really be if you actually believe that money is evil? I mean it sure dosn’t stop them wanting it.
Antilla The Hun Says: July 13th, 2005 at 3:32 am
Peter, I’m interested to know where you got the idea of liberals finding capitalism evil. And second, if one finds capitalism spawns evil, because capitalism it self cannot be evil, it is for some very good reasons, for one the corporate greed, and things like the Enron scandal etc…
And Capitalism is not money.
Capitalism is an econonomic philosophy in which people live in a society in which one must provide goods or services in order to generate profit or income.
Anna Says: July 13th, 2005 at 4:22 am
Peter,
Comment 236 sounds just plain stupid.
Larry D. Henderson Says: July 15th, 2005 at 5:20 pm
I’m bellylaughing at conservative inbreds today!
You Might Be A Conservative if…
You don’t put a full “tithe” or 10% into the plate at your fundie church and demand that the federal government (taxpayers) help you fund your kids
private Christian school and your churches proselytizing efforts.
You think poor people and minorities should receive harsh and long prison sentences and the death penalty, but that the wealthy should receive “300 hours of community service.”
You hate the majority of your fellow Americans who are not, 1. white 2. wealthy 3. protestant 4. Republican, 5. hetero, etc. And then have the
unmitigated gall to call yourself a “patriot.”
You want Darwin’s “theory” of survival of the fittest/ Evolution to be removed from biology textbooks but fully implemented as economic practice.
You hate Liberals because they have better sex lives, more education, and more fun.
You hate “Liberals” because they made it socially unacceptable in the sixties and seventies for you to hate “jews, Blacks, poor people, Catholics,
gays”, etc., etc.
You hate liberals because at college they bested you by going on to get the Masters and PhD degrees, and because that pretty, braless, blued eyed blonde hippie chick in Psych 101 class,with the waist length hair wouldn’t screw your inbred,
ugly ass.
You hate Liberals because they are smart enough to see through conservative abuse and misuse of the Christian religion for political and financial gain.
You hate the “Liberal media” because they tell you things you’d rather not know, such as the fact that Pat Robertson spends your donations to him on
diamond mines in South Africa. Because they tell you about GW Bush’s underage girlfriend having an illegal abortion in 1971 and his cocaine use,
and awol etc.
You hate Liberals because they are smart enough to see that most wars have an economic cause and agenda and are not fooled by simple minded appeals to jingoism/ nationalism, flags on SUV’s, and ostentatious displays of pseudo patriotism.
Most of all, you hate Liberals because they know Conservatives are outrageous hypocrites when it comes to 1. religion 2. sex 3. everything else.
You hate Liberals because they expect you to fully practice and implement all that stuff you learn in your Christian Churches about “loving thy neighbor, blessed are the meek, helping the poor, doing on to others, etc,” rather than just talking about it on Sunday mornings.
You hate Liberals because they often belong to a religion different from yours and they stubornly insist on their first amendment right to believe
any damn thing they want about religious matters.
You think “socialism” and “welfare” are ruinous for poor people as you get your SS check, Medicare statement, VA benefits, application for the kids college grants, government prescription drug benefit, senoir discount, Interest free “Industrial Development Bonds for your business,” SBA loan, good job at the Post Office, etc., etc.
You call your kids school and demand that the teachers require the reading of Ayn Rand books because of Ms. Rands economic Darwinist views, and hope they don’t discover that Rand was also an atheist.
You believe your neighbors sex life is very much your (and the governments) business.
You cheat on your taxes after giving a Sunday school lesson the day before on “The Importance of Honesty and rendering onto Ceasar.”
You inherited a big “trust fund” from daddy, went to college on a BEOG/ Pell grant, got Voc Rehab benefits, defaulted on student loans, and PRETEND you are a “self made man, bootstrap success, rugged individualist,” etc.
You think “proletariat” is a type of cheese.
You’ve named your kids “Deduction one” and “Deduction two.”
You’ve tried to argue that poverty could be abolished if people were just
allowed to keep more of their minimum wage. And then you argue that the
minimum wage should be ELIMINATED!!
You’ve ever referred to someone as “my (insert racial or ethnic minority
here) friend”
You’ve ever tried to prove Jesus was a capitalist and opposed to welfare.
You’re a pro-lifer, but support the death penalty.
You think Huey Newton is a cookie.
The only union you support is the Baseball Players, because heck, they’re
richer than you.
You think you might remember laughing once as a kid.
You once “broke loose” at a party and removed your neck tie.
You’ve ever referred to the “moral fiber” of something.
You’ve ever uttered the phrase, “Why don’t “we” just bomb the sons of
bitches yet you had daddy use his influence to keep you out of Vietnam.”
You’ve ever said, “I can’t wait to get into business school.”
You’ve ever called a secretary or waitress “Tootsie.” Cheated on your
wife with her, and your secretary, and your golf buddies wife, and…!
You don’t think “The Simpsons” is all that funny, but you watch it because
that Flanders, and especially Mr. Burns make a lot of sense.
You fax the FBI a list of “Commies in my Neighborhood.”
You don’t let your kids watch Sesame Street because you suspect Bert and
Ernie of “sexual deviance.”
You use any of these terms to describe your wife: Old ball and chain,
little woman, old lady, tax credit…
You scream “Dit-dit-ditto” while making love.
You’ve argued that art has a “moral foundation set in Western values.”
When people say “Marx,” you think “Groucho.”
You’ve ever yelled, “Hey hippie, get a haircut.”
You think Birkenstok was that radical rock concert in 1969.
You argue that you need 300 handguns, in case a bear ever attacks your
home.
Vietnam makes a lot of sense to you. “After all you say, the military makes
a great workfare program for the poor kids.”
You point to Hootie and the Blowfish as evidence of the end of racism in
America.
You’ve ever said “civil liberties, schmivil schmiberties.”
You’ve ever said “Clean air? Looks clean to me.”
You’ve ever referred to Anita Hill as a “lying bitch” while attending a Bob
Packwood fund-raiser.
You spent MLK Day reading “The Bell Curve.”
You’ve ever called education a luxury.
You look down through a glass ceiling and chuckle.
You wonder if donations to the Pentagon are tax-deductable.
You came of age in the ’60s and don’t remember Bob Dylan.
You own a vehicle with an “Ollie North: American Hero” sticker.
You’re afraid of the “liberal media.”
You ever based an argument on the phrase, “Well, tradition dictates….”
You’ve ever called the National Endowment for the Arts a bunch of
pornographers.
You think all artists are gay.
You ever told a child that Oscar the Grouch “lives in a trash can because
he is lazy and doesn’t want to contribute to society.”
You’ve ever urged someone to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, when
they don’t even have shoes.
You confuse Lenin with Lennon.
Chris Says: July 22nd, 2005 at 3:07 am
You might be a republican/conservative if you actually read these ignorant jokes and find them funny/true.
You might be a republican if you believe killing unborn babies is wrong, but bombing another country and killing already born babies is collateral damage and a “just” fight for the freedom of your own country.
You might be a republican if you believe a liberal is a communist, when in fact you have never read the defintion that most liberals follow, which means a believe in civil liberties and capitalism.
You might be a republican if you are hypocrit or fascist.
You might be a republican if you think anyone who proclaims themselve a liberal is automatically in support of the democrat party or communism.
You might be a republican if you make fun of how fake the democrat politicians are, yet fail to see how fake your own ones are.
You might be a republican if you believe that anyone who isn’t a republican is automatically in support of communism or a complete left-wing radical.
You might be a republican if you believe tolerance is wrong and that making laws for morality is right.
Canadian Says: August 6th, 2005 at 6:18 pm
Reading the comments made it sound like your political opinions are completely dictated by TV. That is sort of disturbing, but I don’t believe it is the biggest influence in your views. If you went to a Public School you have been indoctrinated with socialism – public schools are inherently socialist. And why do you equate conservatism with Republicans and liberalism with Democrats? Democrats allow more social freedoms, Republicans allow more fiscal freedoms. It is a choice of the lesser of two evils. Both governments are far too large at the expense of the citizens. Do you really think that all Liberals vote democrat and that all conservatives vote Republican?
Whichever side is preaching about helping the poor ought to rethink their idea of help. The government has no power to help anyone – all of its funds are stolen. Social programs don’t rehabilitate the less fortunate, they cripple them.
Anna Says: August 8th, 2005 at 12:18 pm
Canadian,
I don’t think you have the foggiest idea what socialism, liberalism, conservatism etc actually are. Liberalism embraces the free market economy. It is a fundamentally different economic philosophy from socialism, dimwit.
Joy Says: August 9th, 2005 at 7:11 pm
Heah heah, Canadian! Excellent points all; public school socialism…voting for lesser of two evils…too many stolen funds via ‘programs’.
Big government is big government, no matter which side of the fence it comes from – like dandelions, it doesn’t stay put.
Lefty Says: August 12th, 2005 at 11:59 am
National Institutes of Health: the greatest machine of discovery in medical science in the history of mankind. National Science Foundation: the greatest machine of discovery in the basic sciences in the history of mankind. They are the geese that are laying the golden eggs and you anitgovernment nuts have no idea. What about the fact that we take care of poor CHILDREN, people with physical and mental disabilities. Are you against that too?
I think that far and away the biggest waste is on the military. You know that the founding fathers of our country were dead set against having a standing military. One reason was that they feared that a standing military would tempt their successors into using it for untoward purposes – like invading foreign countries or against our own citizens. In the modern age we must, unfortuntately, have one. But it is wasteful to spend more on our military than the rest of the world combined spends on militaries. If you don’t like pork projects, you will hate the military budget of this nation.
Larry Says: August 28th, 2005 at 1:51 am
This page is hilarious. I love it! You left off the #1 way to know you’ve seen a stupid, leftist liberal:
You drive a Subaru. Your Subaru has at least two of the three stickers: “Bush:One Term President.” “Attack Iraq? NO!” “Clinton lied, no one died.” And of course, mandatory issue for the stupid f’in Subaru drivers, your Kerry-Edwards 2004 sticker, which was placed carefully over your “Selected, not elected” sticker leftover from the 2000 elections. Subaru drivers are a social disease. The herpes of the US general population….
Mr. Jack Says: August 28th, 2005 at 6:16 am
Thats funny because I know alot of republicans that drive subarus….
Ryan Mullane Says: September 3rd, 2005 at 11:07 pm
This was gay, yes gay, gay as in not cool, gay as in makes no sense, yes some of them make sense, but as a Republican, well actually someone who thinks that most politicians are wrong and that Bush should have beaten Kerry cuz well he screwed it up he should fix it, i think its sad. I hated Clinton but atleast he had charisma. I was told that when you meet him, it was if you were the only other person in the world besides for him, thats how good he was at that. But the people who write and believe in this shit are just dorks. Dorks who have no friends and take the time to care about politics when it doesn’t matter anymore unless you have a voice. From checking the above, i did not see Karl Rove or Dick Cheney, so i guess no one can talk. And liberals suck too, Obama FOr Dictator.
Francis Says: November 30th, 2006 at 5:09 am
you might be a liberal if you think you think that the poor don’t deserve it.
William- that's a sound republican name right? Says: November 30th, 2006 at 5:13 am
You might be a liberal if you think hermaphrodites are more than disgusting mutants.
dantheman40k Says: December 1st, 2006 at 1:43 pm
You might be a Republican if:
1. You think feminists are ‘ugly dykes’
2. You say Micheal Moore is a traitor without knowing what ‘traitor’ means.
4. You drive an SUV.
5. You have a crush on Ann Coulter.
6. You try and ‘convert’ a gay person.
7. Your stance on the enviroment is ‘I wont be here in 100 years, why should I care about rising sea levels?’
8. You sleep with your gun at night.
9. You are stupid enough to think that Bush is a benevolent leader who has America’s best intrests at heart.
10. You discriminate against people with disfigurements, calling them, ‘disgusting mutants’
liberals :( Says: February 27th, 2007 at 7:08 am
This is in response to your top 10 dantheman 1.That one is just funny
2. Micheal Moore is a just useing his freedom of speech
4.I love Al gore and his limo’s and other gas guzzlers
5.Ann Coulter is hot, and she has got under your skin… lol
6.I could care less about gay people…. if we do get bombed, I can’t wait to see gays and lesbians hunt for food…. ha hloll lol lmao
7.What are you going to do about it… recycle
8.I don’t have a gun
9.If you hate Bush…. I’m going with the opposite
10. Howard
John Says: February 28th, 2007 at 4:11 am
you ARE a liberal if you argue with facts and distort them aswell
shannon Says: February 28th, 2007 at 5:01 am
You might be an idiot if:
1.) You do not even know what the word feminist means
2.) You think there are limitations to Freedom of Speech. If you understood the word “freedom” you would realize there are no limitations to it.
3.) Oh wait you can’t count
4.) Al Gore is trying to raise consciousness, and thus far he has.
5.) Ann Coulter is a disgrace to the feminine race, but you think she is hot and that her words mean anything to me.
6.) Honey if there were not homos on this earth you would have terrible clothes, no movies or television, and most peoples hair would still have perms.
7.) You have no regard for anyone’s future except your own.
8.) Too bad
9.) Anyone who loves Bush should be shot for treason
10.) Your mother is also your sister
liberals :( Says: February 28th, 2007 at 7:18 am
1.let me guess,,, you are a feminist
2.What …. lol
3.I can count your brain cells…. 1
4.Al Bore lost… keep crying
5.She’s hotter than you, and you cry alot over her
7.I don’t care for you
8.too bad? …….. your a monkey
9.What are you going to shoot him with? A flower
10. your daddy is also your brother
Kolran Says: March 1st, 2007 at 12:13 am
Lol, this is funny.
shannon Says: March 1st, 2007 at 5:50 am
You still attempt to defend Dan Quayle’s intelligence.
You get offended if someone is unusually quiet on the way to a funeral…oops, sorry, my fault again… thats another “You might be Newt Gingrinch…”
You refuse to talk to your sister because she’s a lesbian… dangit,
sorry…once again, another “You might be Newt…”
You obsessively impose your own morality upon others.
shannon Says: March 1st, 2007 at 5:51 am
You have a sticker saying “Guns don’t kill people, people do” (and I
suppose those little bullet things are harmless too)
You believe that everyone else should hold the same moralistic and
political views as you, and by God, you’re going to see to it that they
do!
shannon Says: March 1st, 2007 at 5:55 am
You might be a conservative if…
You think “proletariat” is a type of cheese.
* You’ve named your kids “Deduction one” and “Deduction two.”
* You’ve tried to argue that poverty could be abolished if people were just allowed to keep more of their minimum wage.
* You’ve ever referred to someone as “my (insert racial or ethnic minority here) friend”
* You’ve ever tried to prove Jesus was a capitalist and opposed to welfare.
* You’re a pro-lifer, but support the death penalty.
* You think Huey Newton is a cookie.
* The only union you support is the Baseball Players, because heck, they’re richer than you.
* You think you might remember laughing once as a kid.
* You once broke loose at a party and removed your neck tie.
* You call mall rent-a-cops “jack-booted thugs.”
* You’ve ever referred to the moral fiber of something.
* You’ve ever uttered the phrase, “Why don’t we just bomb the sons of bitches.”
* You’ve ever said, “I can’t wait to get into business school.”
* You’ve ever called a secretary or waitress “Tootsie.”
* You answer to “The Man.”
* You don’t think “The Simpsons” is all that funny, but you watch it because that Flanders fellow makes a lot of sense.
* You fax the FBI a list of “Commies in my Neighborhood.”
* You don’t let your kids watch Sesame Street because you suspect Bert and Ernie of “sexual deviance.”
* You use any of these terms to describe your wife: Old ball and chain, little woman, old lady, tax credit…
* You scream “Dit-dit-ditto” while making love.
* You’ve argued that art has a “moral foundation set in Western values.”
* When people say “Marx,” you think “Groucho.”
* You’ve ever yelled, “Hey hippie, get a haircut.”
* You think Birkenstok was that radical rock concert in 1969.
* You argue that you need 300 handguns, in case a bear ever attacks your home.
* Vietnam makes a lot of sense to you.
* You point to Hootie and the Blowfish as evidence of the end of racism in America.
* You’ve ever said “civil liberties, schmivil schmiberties.”
* You’ve ever said “Clean air? Looks clean to me.”
* You’ve ever referred to Anita Hill as a “lying bitch” while attending a Bob Packwood fund-raiser.
* You spent MLK Day reading “The Bell Curve.”
* You’ve ever called education a luxury.
* You look down through a glass ceiling and chuckle.
* You wonder if donations to the Pentagon are tax-deductable.
* You came of age in the ’60s and don’t remember Bob Dylan.
* You own a vehicle with an “Ollie North: American Hero” sticker.
* You’re afraid of the “liberal media.”
* You ever based an argument on the phrase, “Well, tradition dictates….”
* You’ve ever called the National Endowment for the Arts a bunch of pornographers.
* You think all artists are gay.
* You ever told a child that Oscar the Grouch “lives in a trash can because he is lazy and doesn’t want to contribute to society.”
* You’ve ever urged someone to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, when they don’t even have shoes.
* You confuse Lenin with Lennon.
Kolran Fett Says: March 2nd, 2007 at 12:06 am
You might be a Liberal if you agree with global warming, but have no idea how the theory works.
You might be a liberal if you think that they can’t hurt you if you don’t hurt them (North Korea).
You might be a liberal if you think the situation in Iraq would’ve resolved itself.
You might be a liberal if you think Iran just wants nuclear power, not nuclear weapons.
You might be a liberal if you want us to resolve the conflict in Dafur, but have no idea where the place is.
You might be a liberal if you think Antartica will be suitable for living in a couple of years.
You might be a liberal if you call ‘aditional rights’ ‘equal rights’.
You might be a liberal if you believe what you see on TV.
You might be a liberal if you forgot about 9-11
You might be a liberal if you call yourself a centrist
You might be a liberal if your a liar
You might be a liberal if you think France is the most successful country in the world.
You might be a liberal if ‘Al Gore’ doesn’t make you laugh.
You might be a liberal if you where tie-die shirts to funurals.
You might be a liberal if you think Nancy Palocy really did need a bigger plane.
You might be a liberal if you don’t understand that ‘the clinton legacy’ is an insult.
You might be a liberal if you’ve never worked a day in your life and can’t figure out why other folks are.
You might be a liberal if, in your opinion, opinions hold more weight than facts.
You might be a liberal if you let your kid do whatever he wanted, but couldn’t figure it out when he got abducted.
You might be a liberal if you think that the pilgrims were atheist.
You might be a liberal if you make your reply to this post without reading a one of them
You might be a liberal if you back up your arguments by pointing out others mistakes.
You might be a liberal if you grew up in a tree.
You might be a liberal if you own 4 cars but have only driven 1.
You might be an american if you consider yourself anything but lucky to live in america.
You might be a liberal if you want to make Talaban practices legal.
You might be a liberal if you know your an atheist, gay, or any other ‘protected group’.
You might be a liberal if you supported Saddam Huessien.
You might be a liberal if you taught your children to hate bush before they knew how to speak.
You might be a liberal if your an activist.
You might be a liberal if your a liberal rights activist.
You might be a liberal if you don’t know what antidisestablishmentarianism is, but you like the word so you support it.
-kolran fett
matt w. Says: May 21st, 2007 at 4:24 pm
Well, let me start off. I hate both parties. I am anti-religion and find it to be the cause of most large scale violence in the world. I mean look at the middle-east, a primitive soup of intolerance and bigotry because of Islam. I take it back, I don’t blame religion just those who drive it and use it as an excuse to carry out senseless acts. Back to the party thing though, yes the right-wing are at times greedy, intolerant and warmongering. However, at the same time liberals are the same way. Have you noticed how whenever a liberal responds or starts an argument that they fathom up some third grade insult to make themselves feel better? Be it redneck, bigot, hick and generally anything that is southern. In fact the ACLU is to me just as much as a hate group as the KKK, and don’t even get me started on the NAACP. If they truly cared about the welfare of blacks in America, then why attack a tarnished confederate flag instead of reaching out to the communities and helping their own kind with poverty and drug abuse. The bottom line is, whether it comes to the right or left and you do not support their agenda, then your ignorant and are labeled with insults. I find the left to be more intolerant however. I think that the whole federal government thing should be minimized and the states should decide on laws. If California wants gay marriage, fine. If Georgia doesn’t, that’s acceptable. There’s a quote, “Governments should not control the people, people should control the government.” This idea has been lost, and if this right versus left thing continues, then America will become a third world country and the EU will run the board. Thank you for your time!
Zog The Obvious Says: July 28th, 2007 at 6:42 pm
I realize this is a few months old, but I figured I’d give it a go:
Comment from Kolran Fett
Time: 3/2/2007, 12:06 am
You might be a Liberal if you agree with global warming, but have no idea how the theory works.
–Wrong. It’s Conservatives that seem to be confused about this issue.
You might be a liberal if you think that they can’t hurt you if you don’t hurt them (North Korea).
–Have you seen/heard/read about the living conditions in NKor? Our “hurting them” hasn’t hurt them (I.E. their government), only their people. Your next statement contradicts this, by the way – if our brand of hurting NKor is good enough for you, why not Iraq? We had them well-contained.
You might be a liberal if you think the situation in Iraq would’ve resolved itself.
–How is it, exactly, that you feel that the situation in Iraq is now resolved? Ya know, just see my previous statement re North Korea. Fact is, Iraq was contained, it wasn’t a threat. Now we are drowning in debt and our soldiers are dying in a Civil War that we have no business participating in.
You might be a liberal if you think Iran just wants nuclear power, not nuclear weapons.
–Wrong. But Iran’s power in the region has grown as a direct result of our imbecilic invasion of Iraq.
You might be a liberal if you want us to resolve the conflict in Dafur, but have no idea where the place is.
–Well, I know where it is, but of course any schmuck can go out and look something like this up on the web ever hear of Wikipedia?) so I could tell you, but I can just see this argument going ’round and ’round and ’round…. kinda pointless, wouldn’t you agree?
You might be a liberal if you think Antartica will be suitable for living in a couple of years.
–You might be a conservative if you think Antarctica isn’t undergoing some very drastic changes due to our polluting ways
You might be a liberal if you call ‘aditional rights’ ‘equal rights’.
–If an ethnic or social group (I.E. Minorities, gays, etc) has fewer rights than the status quo, then you got me there. (P.S. Here’s your missing “d”)
You might be a liberal if you believe what you see on TV.
–Oh my, no… I’ve noted that both sides of this debate are in total agreement that what you see on TV News is hogwash. Don’t go there, pal… you are dead wrong.
You might be a liberal if you forgot about 9-11
–Nobody has forgotten about 9/11 except for President Bush, who invaded Iraq while Osama Bin Laden (remember him?) was cornered in Pakistan.
You might be a liberal if you call yourself a centrist
–Nope. I’m not a centrist. I’m a Liberal.
You might be a liberal if your a liar
–*guffaw* Have you heard Bush speak lately? How about Tom Delay? Mark Foley? Dick Cheney? Alberto Gonzalez? By the way, “your” is possessive. “Your car.” “Your Froot Loops.” “Your bullshit post.” What you are looking for is “If you are a liar”… in other words… “you’re.” As in “You’re a liar.”
You might be a liberal if you think France is the most successful country in the world.
–This is another one of those Conservative things that the right likes to make up. Most liberals, in fact, couldn’t give a shit about France.
You might be a liberal if ‘Al Gore’ doesn’t make you laugh.
–Ah, no… actually, in his documentary “An Inconvenient Truth”, when he introduced himself as the “former next President of the United States”, I did indeed laugh. Quite humorous.
You might be a liberal if you where tie-die shirts to funurals.
–Nah… I’ll just let that be.
You might be a liberal if you think Nancy Palocy really did need a bigger plane.
–Funny… even Nancy Pelosi didn’t think she needed a bigger plane. This is another Right-Wing smear.
You might be a liberal if you don’t understand that ‘the clinton legacy’ is an insult.
–You mean the President that left us with a surplus that has since been squandered, who paid attention to Al Qaeda and actually considered them a threat (Bush didn’t… until 9/11)… who enacted programs to help the poor, you mean that President? Tell me, pal… what will Bush’s legacy be?
You might be a liberal if you’ve never worked a day in your life and can’t figure out why other folks are.
–Most of the people I’ve known who are on Welfare have always voted Republican.
You might be a liberal if, in your opinion, opinions hold more weight than facts.
–Do you watch Fox “News” network? Facts are facts, and in my opinion, your grasp of the facts is lacking.
You might be a liberal if you let your kid do whatever he wanted, but couldn’t figure it out when he got abducted.
You might be a liberal if you think that the pilgrims were atheist.
– No, that would be an opinion, not a fact.
You might be a liberal if you make your reply to this post without reading a one of them
–That didn’t make any goddamn sense.
You might be a liberal if you back up your arguments by pointing out others mistakes.
– like this entire posting of yours has been… a point by point diatribe against what you feel are liberal mistakes?
You might be a liberal if you grew up in a tree.
–No, those are monkeys. I grew up in an apartment that my mother worked all her life to support. (By the way – my mother was a liberal.)
You might be a liberal if you own 4 cars but have only driven 1.
–Liberals tend not to be rich. This statement is one of those mistakes that I, as a liberal, feel it is my duty to point out.
You might be an american if you consider yourself anything but lucky to live in america.
–Well, I’m a liberal (I assume that’s what you meant) and I do consider myself lucky to live in America. However, my government has done things that I do NOT support and am NOT proud of. Dissent isn’t treason, my friend. Dissent and pointing out your government’s mistakes when you see them is one of the strongest forms of patriotism that exists.
You might be a liberal if you want to make Talaban practices legal.
–Your source for this load of hogwash? Ever hear of the Moral Majority? Know what their ideal is? Go research it, and while you’re doing that, research which party they support. You are flat-out, dead-wrong with THIS statement.
You might be a liberal if you know your an atheist, gay, or any other ‘protected group’.
–Check! (Agnostic)
You might be a liberal if you supported Saddam Huessien.
–You mean like Rumsfeld did when he shook his hand in front of photographers? You mean like Reagan did when he sold Hussein his chemical weapons back in the eighties? You are ignorant.
You might be a liberal if you taught your children to hate bush before they knew how to speak.
–Check!
You might be a liberal if your an activist.
–Yea… you’re right there. I suppose you feel it is better to just sit back and ignore the problems you see in the world. Too busy getting your tie straight for your Young Republicans meeting to worry about anything else.
You might be a liberal if your a liberal rights activist.
–Check! Again, I’m not sure how this is supposed to be a condemnation.
You might be a liberal if you don’t know what antidisestablishmentarianism is, but you like the word so you support it.
–Liberals tend not to use words without knowing what they mean.
Well, now that I’ve fed the troll, I’m off to iron my tie-dye shirt so I can chain myself to another tree. Catch you later!
Zog The Obvious Says: July 28th, 2007 at 6:46 pm
Oops, missed one!
You might be a liberal if you let your kid do whatever he wanted, but couldn’t figure it out when he got abducted.
–My daughter is very well behaved, f**k you very much, and knows better than to approach strangers for candy or anything else.
WhyNotObama? Says: July 31st, 2007 at 11:19 pm
Vary well put Zog!
I think your post just put a nice cap on this topic.
nutslikebush Says: August 1st, 2007 at 3:00 am
Zog the Obvious,
That was great!
nutslikebush Says: August 2nd, 2007 at 12:53 am
You might be a liberal if you think that Cheney had his head up his butt when he declared that the Iraqi insurgency was “in its last throes” a couple of years ago.
You might be a liberal if you think that the Bush administration is completely dazed and confused and recognize that they don’t even know that they are dazed and confused.
JACKSON Says: August 4th, 2007 at 2:39 am
FROM A SOLDIERS POINT OF VIEW
You might be a Liberal
1. If your rules of engagement to your soldiers follows:
a) you can’t fire at the enemy till you have been shot atleast 5 times or you are the last man on your team alive.
b) if you do fire at the enemy you have to be 100% sure that the he/she is the enemy. you will have to identify the individual, see the serial number of his/her weapon, must have a signed confession the individual is your enemy before engaging the individual.
2.You support the troops even though you actually don’t like the military and you think we train like barbarians. You usually label us as mindless watch dogs, but you support us.
3. You would rather have a thousand U.S. soldiers die before we are allowed to interrogate one captured suicide bomb maker. While your safe at StarBucks drinking coffee and we are dying you sticking to your morals while we are trying to simply survive.
4. You want to give our enemy every advantage especially by letting them know when we are leaving. So all they have to do is wait till we are at low strength to kill even more of us.
5. You would line up to watch a movie that makes this nation look like shit.
6. You emphasis your rights even though you forget how those rights were obtained. By the blood of soldiers and people who fought to establish them. But it is your right to point out your rights and to judge those who chose to serve.
7. You feel you are superior to us because you went to college, even you west point and citidal officers your ideals and big words get us killed.
8. You think you know about this war than the guys fighting it. It’s not the same picture, life vs tv!
9. You put soldiers in jail for their mistakes and failures, but what about the people in America who failed our troops.
10. You chose not to serve but you feel it is your right to tell those who chose to how to.
Your conservative if:
1. You see our troops as pawns that will be sacrificed if needed or not needed
2. You think it is easier to lie to us to make us fight, we would fight for the truth, for oil, for democracy what ever beifits our country
3. You are overly optomistic
4. You support us but not a 100%
JACKSON Says: August 6th, 2007 at 2:42 am
All jokes aside and all the big words and grammar corrections and would be facts being thrown back and forth, just to let you know we the troops are dying for real. So America make up your mind, because many of us are loosing ours.
nutslikebush Says: August 6th, 2007 at 3:56 am
I am watching the GOP debates. They keep talking about strengthening the military. I believe that right now our military can defeat every other military in the world combined. The problem is not the strength of our military. The problem is that our leaders don’t “get it” when it comes to the clash of fundamentalist religion versus modern secular civilization. It is not a military problem. It is much bigger than that. The fundamentalists want to return to the dark ages of the pre-scientific world. They hate all modernity. The defeat of the Islamists will come by winning the hearts and minds of moderate and liberal Muslims. If we bomb them, we will convert 1 billion who want to be our friends into enemies.
WhyNotObama? Says: August 7th, 2007 at 12:19 am
Jackson…
You said:
“you can’t fire at the enemy till you have been shot at least 5 times or you are the last man on your team alive.”
“would rather have a thousand U.S. soldiers die before we are allowed to interrogate one captured suicide bomb maker”
Would have to “see the serial number of his/her weapon, must have a signed confession the individual is your enemy before engaging the individual.”
——-that is stupid…please try to deliver clear logical arguments. No one, liberal or conservative, would expect you to sacrifice your god given right to defend yourself.
You also said:
“would line up to watch a movie that makes this nation look like shit”
—–If your talking about Michel Moore movies, well, actually they make me proud to be an American. I love the fact that factual arguments can be made without government censorship. Besides have you watched any of them??? They are actually quite enlightening, especially if you do the research afterward and find out that it’s all actually true.
You said”
“You think you know [more] about this war than the guys fighting it. It’s not the same picture, life vs tv!”
—–Actually I hate the fact that most Americans don’t even realize that we are at war. We’re too busy buying IPhones and nindendo Wii’s. It’s setting a bad president for the next generations of leaders that will never have had to face the responsibility of seeing the flag draped coffins and the tens of thousands of wounded that always accompany war.
You said:
“You want to give our enemy every advantage especially by letting them know when we are leaving. So all they have to do is wait till we are at low strength to kill even more of us.”
—No, “I” want to know when we are leaving because when faced with the prospect of defeat in a foreign land or waging a never ending war(some wars have lasted 100′s of years…..ironically we are successfully becoming a third party to the 1500 year old war between Shia and Sunni) I chose defeat. Especially since not one person I know can adequately justify the invasion in the first place.
You said:
“But it is your right to point out your rights and to judge those who chose to serve.”
—I love my rights….so much so that I make it a point to exercise them frequently. I, however, do not judge those who enter service as anything other than individuals willing to give years of their life to service this nation. That is courageous…nuff said.
You said:
“You put soldiers in jail for their mistakes and failures, but what about the people in America who failed our troops.”
—–Tell me Jackson, How have the people in America “failed our troops.” That is total bull shit. The only ones who have failed you are our leaders who are using troops to rob both our country (w/9 trillion debt) and the Middle East by using our fear of “terrorism”. I don’t like the fact that every American is 30,000$ in debt…and that # included everyone even those who pay no taxes (i.e. younger than 18 and the soon to be retired boomers) Also; I believe that all crimes should be punished. It sets a standard of equality for humans and allows true freedom from tyranny of leaders as well as soldiers.
You said
“You chose not to serve but you feel it is your right to tell those who chose to how to.”
—-Personally I hope to begin my service to this nation very soon as a peace corps volunteer. I do feel it is my right to tell those who serve “how to” because you represent me and the freedoms I enjoy. I expect to do the same when I serve.
Jackson,
I sense a lot of anguish in your posts. If you really are a soldier than I hope you are receiving exemplary care via the VA. I also hope these blogs help you sort out all your experiences and give you an outlet for your thoughts. Feel free to blog about your experiences….I’m sure we could all use a little insight from the battlefield but I have to ask….please be more open minded and less accusatory of the progressive voice. Who knows we may just be right…..(like we were with civil rights, global warming, NAFTA, ect….)
Once again, I am sorry for not doing more to end this war and remove your moron of a Commander and Chief.
SPC. Blakely Says: August 7th, 2007 at 4:28 pm
Oh jackson, sad, but your rules of engagment are quickly becoming facts of life.
pretty soon we’ll just have to paint targets on our ACH and stand out in the street
JACKSON Says: August 8th, 2007 at 5:23 am
Whynot, my accussations are what me and most of my fellow soldiers frustrations and feelings are. I posted those thoughts just to let you know no matter what political knowledge or info or education or background you have or boast to have on the battlefield this is what we feel. We feel betrayed, we feel lied to, we want accountability from everyone. We want the American people to stop pointing fingers and realize we will never have any resolve if we are not united. As you notice I belted both sides because to me politics is bs. I hope you do well with the peace corps but it isn’t the same serving I am doing and it isn’t even close to the sacrifices we’ve made.
JACKSON Says: August 8th, 2007 at 5:57 am
To answer your question how have the American people failed the troops, you gotta be here as long as I have and talked to all the BS troop supporters. I have been around a long time to know when people are all talk. I, we feel like everyone’s complainning about the least important things, the environment, why we went to Iraq etc., meanwhile we are dying here, let’s concentrate on the troops because seriously we are dying in the here and now. We don’t care about taxes, the weather, gays, the trees or american idol because when we die thats it for us, game over. So to us, what is important is to survive! So if you really support the troops lets discuss options to insure we make out alive. Let’s figure out how the troops can better fight this war, or not fight this war bug the president about that. I am too the point I just don’t care abuot the iraqis, I just wanna see my troops alive.
To us if you really cared about us, you’d put all the other topics aside and concentrate on the troops lives. We need you attention. Thats pretty much it, I am not attacking anyone, I just want everyone to remember we are still here and we feel neglected.
swimchick Says: September 19th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
You might be a liberal if….
When corned by the truth, you pull out the race card.
The Other Side Says: September 21st, 2009 at 5:57 pm
swimchick, when have republicans told the truth in the health care debate? the fact that they don’t debate the health care issue and instead compare him to hilter make it seem like there is more behind the attacks. many of the attacks are because there is a black man in the white house.
swimchick Says: September 28th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
The OtherSide said: “many of the attacks are because there is a black man in the white house”.
———————————————-
Comparing Obama to Hitler is not racist. It is political. They share the same ideology. Hitler = Far left loon. Obama = far left loon.
Otherwise, see my post above. You might be a liberal if….when cornered by the truth, you pull out the race card.
Congratulations! You are officially typical.
Troy Says: October 1st, 2009 at 3:17 pm
Otherside- Funny how Libs just divert any critique with the race card. Sounds like your the racist one. I dont know anyone whom says they are against the Pres. b/c of his color. Your side brings up color all the time. Please show me the racism b/f saying “racism”. If you dont have proof shut up. Rep. have good solutions from Health reform the media wont print it though. Right on swimchick
The Other Side Says: October 6th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
you don’t need to pull out the n-word to be a racist. racism doesn’t have to be right in front of your face for it to be obvious. case in point:
-sending a email with a watermelon patch in front of the white house
-obama spliced into an african witch doctor picture
-the attacks on acorn, what have they done that warrants the non-stop demonization? if people are so angry about corruption, where are the investigations for halliburton and the abuses in iraq that costs america billions? its because acorn is synonomous with black people.
-joe wilson, who wanted to defend the confederate flag, yelling “you lie” during a congressional address. that has never happened before and is unbelievably disrespectful. and wilson was responding to a comment about illegal immigration.
-a us representative calling for a “great white hope” to defeat obama, a racial heated comment
-rush calling obama an “angry black guy” and playing “barak the magic negro” among other racial heated terms
-the birthers and their crusade to show that obama is from Kenya. making him seem different, not like the rest of us.
-beck calling the president a racist based off of no evidence, its seems like beck is projecting his own attitudes onto obama
-being compared to hitler isn’t political, it is hate based. hitler is one of the most evil people in history, and rightfully so. has obama killed millions of jews, gays and gypsies? has obama attacked surrounding countries in hopes of world domination? has obama started a eugenics program? when people think of hitler, they don’t think of his political ideologies. they think of the evil he has done and when obama is compared to hitler, it raises hatred. there is no comparison between the two.
-colin powell said that the republican party still has a problem with racism
-a senator’s staff sends out an email with all the us presidents’ pictures, with obama’s being only black with eyeballs. the senator didn’t fire the staffer and barely repremanded her
-the cartoon of a shot monkey being compared to obama
would the same heated vitriol be spewed at a white president? and do not compare criticism of obama to criticism of bush, they aren’t close. just because a black man is in the white house does not mean america has moved past racism. people are still racist. to think that no one would attack obama based on race is naive. these attacks are going to continue. obama hasn’t earned these attacks on his character.
Kaiser Says: October 7th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
C’mon, the monkey cartoon thing was really blown up. That didn’t even occur to me, much less anyone I know, that it had anything to do with Obama. In fact, the only place I heard any controversy was on all the stupid news channels.
Colin Powell said that the republican party still has a problem with racism. That’s because Colin Powell apparently thinks that apologizing for something that doesn’t exist nearly as much as people think it does will earn the GOP more voters.
Bush was compared to Hitler. Several times. Quite a few hundred if you count all those rallies. Although it was spread over 7-4 years, the hate that Bush recieved was no less than what Obama is receiving.
Joe Wilson apologized for it. Many of his friends have repeatedly said that he is no racist and has never been. Being white and from the South doesn’t make you a racist. Someone ought to tell
I’ll admit that that e-mail with the watermelons and the witch-doctor thing are both really messed up. And the birthers, well, I don’t think their elevators go up to the top floor, so to speak. Not to mention that thing about the “great white hope”, if it’s true.
“ACORN is synonomous with black people”? Really? Other Side, your arguments are slipping. No offense meant, I’m totally serious.
The Other Side Says: October 8th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
why are conservatives so focused on acorn? acorn is a community organizing company that registers voters and tries to keep people in their homes. they receive little federal funding and have little election implications.
there was that video that the conservative media went all abuzz about (the pimp and prostitute one) because it showed three acorn workers acting innappropriatly. the staffers were fired, it was an isolated incident. the filmmakers tried the same thing at other acorn offices and didn’t get the responses that they wanted. they also crossed some ethical lines while filming.
the film was a dubious display of isolated incidents but is being used to try and show widespread corruption where there is none. why? all of this smearing is having an effect on the tea baggers who are now shouting “acorn” at african americans. just like demonizing everything liberal, conservatives who smear acorn are fanning the flames within the right-wing base which fuels racial tensions.
and to kaiser’s point about criticism of bush and obama, they aren’t even close. when you continue to make them equal you will never see how severe it is for obama. how many of the hitler/bush signs were within 10 months of his first term? and when the signs were being displayed, bush was building a legacy of illegal wars, warrentless wiretapping, politiciation of the doj, dubious election results and partisianship. what has obama done to deserve anything near the criticism that bush received? also, was bush ever called a socialist/facist/communist? did bush have to deal with birthers, deathers or tea baggers? were there facebook polls asking if bush should be assassinated? did anyone bring assault rifles to bush rallies?
all of the attacks on obama aren’t on his policies or his record. they are personal attacks based on lies. why? why disrespect the potus so severely and why are people so angry based off nothing but obama the man? i would say its because obama is black and because the right wing base is crazy. if any of the aforementioned criticism were being made of bush, the criticisers would be labeled as tresonous. not all people who criticise bush are racists, but there is a racial motivation in some of the criticism.
Flu-Bird Says: February 9th, 2010 at 5:43 pm
your a liberal if you shed big tears for trees when their chopped down but not for aborted babies,You want guns banned and LSD legalized,You think WW II could have been solved with a big meditation get together,You think ITS A WONDERFUL LIFE is old fashion and stogy but DANCES WITH WOLVES was the truth,You belive everything reading ORIGION OF SPECIES by CHARLES DARWIN and COSMOS by CARL SEGAN,You want DICK & JANE replaced with DADDIES ROOMATE and HEATHER HAS TWO MOMMIES,You belive GLOBAL WARMING is cuased by SUVs and backyard BBQs,You want all civilan owned guns confiscated and melted down into park benches,You oppose capital punishment but support abortion
Kaiser Says: February 10th, 2010 at 10:26 pm
A) “when the signs were being displayed, bush was building a legacy of illegal wars, warrentless wiretapping, politiciation of the doj, dubious election results”; You already know that, as conservatives, we would side with Bush on these things. Why do you bother?
“what has obama done to deserve anything near the criticism that bush received?” If you have to ask that, you haven’t been listening.
“was bush ever called a …facist…?” Every day out here in Cal, I gotta deal with people who insist that Bush is a racist, Nazi-loving bible-thumping, warmongerer. Yes, many times.
“did bush have to deal with birthers, deathers or tea baggers?” He had to deal with Code Pink, 9/11-truthers, and all the rest of them. And what exactly is a “deather”?
“were there facebook polls asking if bush should be assassinated?” That’s a trick question: you know as well as I do facebook wasn’t around then.
“did anyone bring assault rifles to bush rallies?” Probably not. Did anyone say they did? And did anyone actually bring any to the Tea Parties?
“all of the attacks on obama aren’t on his policies or his record. they are personal attacks based on lies.” Sure, that’s exactly it.
That’s why when we say, “We disagree with his conduct of foreign affairs and we believe his economic policies are misguided”, we really mean, “HE’S A NO-GOOD N*****!”
“there is a racial motivation in some of the criticism”. Then you will not deny that there were racial motivations for those voting him into office, right?
Personally, I think there are 10 times more black people who voted for Obama than white people who voted against him, for the reason of his blackness.
Simply put, we don’t like ACORN because of its thuggish attempts during the election to pressure people into voting for Obama and attempts at election dishonesty.