HOW MANY LIBERALS
Here is another poem from our favorite “right-er” of verse, Russ Vaughn
How many Liberals does it take to win a war?
How many of you Liberals does it take to win a war?
Well how the hell can we tell? You won’t fight one anymore.
You say that you support the troops, but the truth’s plain as your face,
You’d pull us from the battle, march us home in full disgrace.
You’ve no stomach for the fighting, got no mettle, got no pluck;
If you ran this war on terror, we’d be a very well plucked duck.
The wolves of Jihad smell your dread, can smell your craven breath,
And emboldened by the fear they scent, lust for our bloody death.
“But wait,” you protest piously, “We are fighters for the poor.”
Might we suggest you start to fight, before wolves come through the door?
Do you think they’ll still believe in you, your poor, your gays, your blacks,
When the wolves run wild among them, sinking fangs into their backs?
Think then that they’ll be caring, when they’re counting out their dead,
We inflict pain on a captive wolf to learn what’s in his head?
Do you really think, you bleeding hearts, when they bleed in scarlet torrents,
They’ll care we cage the savage wolves, search lairs without signed warrants?
For years we watched your “feel good” courts defang our criminal laws,
Handcuff our police, give felons rights, espouse the criminals’ cause.
Felonious wolves were freed to prey, and we suffered their wild rages
Till “thinking” men took back the courts, put the wolf packs back in cages.
With your same old clueless “feelings” you now decry this war;
And with your same old fuzzy logic, common sense you still ignore.
We must look into “root causes” and we must try to “feel their pain;”
Pardon if our eyes start rolling, at your same old lame refrain.
It’s hard to fathom whence you come, perhaps some flawed eugenics,
That begets utopian pessimists, sires optimistic cynics.
Thanks be the power to rule the land remains beyond your means;
A regime of yours, would be like, no doubt, being ruled by pimpled teens.
Your quixotic quest for a world love nest, denies some truths quite real,
Like the need to have some “thinking” folks to preserve your right to “feel.”
Abhorring blood on your own hands, there’s a hard truth you’ve ignored,
Someone else must take your plowshare, and beat it back into a sword.
So how many of you Liberals does it take to win a war?
Or is there simply nothing you believe worth fighting for?
How is it that you’ve never learned, like most when they grow older,
That appeasing badness is a bad idea, only makes the bad guys bolder.
Has your fear of spilling human blood made you Jihad’s useful fools,
Ignoring that their wolf packs never fight within the rules?
By your demand we stay our hand, you weaken and you bind us;
Forcing us to fight off wolf attacks with that hand tied behind us.
So we bend some rules, in war you fools; so what? Show some respect,
When it’s your fuzzy-headed “feelings”, “thinking” men fight to protect.
Russ Vaughn
2d Bn, 327th Parachute Infantry Regiment
101st Airborne Division
Vietnam 65-66
yep Says: January 22nd, 2005 at 11:47 pm
long live America!!!!!!!!!!
Rico Suave Says: January 23rd, 2005 at 5:07 pm
I guess the horrors of Vietnam weren’t enough for Russ. He was probably behind a desk the whole time writing crappy poems.
BonnieM Says: January 24th, 2005 at 2:19 am
No matter if he was! He deserves respect!
Julian Says: January 24th, 2005 at 2:54 pm
BonnieM. Compare Russ’s poem to this one. Which one best reflects the teachings of Jesus? There was a long haired guy who drew a crowd outside
He got them all angry over national pride
He was talking of the war that’s on our shore
And how we’ve never had to fight so hard before
It’s a war to fight and a war to win he said
But how do we strike and where to begin?
We want to kill those guilty of the crimes they’ve made
But they don’t live in one city; there’s no fortress to invade
This war is psychological and it starts righthere
So in my defiance, I will not live in fear
Because fear is their weapon so I won’t give in to that
They know that fear turns to rage, and thats just their trap
The way they win is to make us strike back
They want us to launch a dreadful counterattack
The more people that die at the hand of our nation
The more hate it will breed in the next generation
In this kind of war, they’re not after our land
They want their children’s blood on our vengeful hands
They want to make us act like an angry mob
So we look like a bully that hates their god
Their plan is to hurt us with our own brute force
Like a herd stampeding down a deadly course
If they can get us running with a rage like this
They can lead the free world off the edge of a cliff
And the cliff is to fall for the trap they’ve sprung
To make us play the role of the vengeful one
They want us to chase them and hunt them down
To kill their people and burn their towns
The few guilty people are happy to die
If they can make us kill a few thousand more besides
Becuase the death of the innocents just fuels the flame
Until the next war starts and its all the same
And the future unfolds for a hundred years
As the terror grows and it breeds more fear
So who will decide the future of our nation?
Will we follow along with their invitation?
The invitation is to trust our hate
To let revenge define our fate
To never see that it’s a different war
And we can’t fight the same way we fought before
We’re not hunted by a tiger, or a lion or a shark, its more
Like FIRE that’s the danger and the enemy’s a spark
But the trickiest spin that the devil could twist
Was convincing the world that he didn’t exist
If you don’t believe in evil, then they’re just dangerous men
And you’ll fight fire with fire, and you’ll be just like them
An eye for an eye, time after time
Eye after eye until the whole world is blind
If our enemy is evil, like a virus of the mind
And its moving through the body of all humankind
Then the evil brilliance of this virus which is hate
Is that our natural reaction makes it replicate
We want to shoot at a target thats easy to find
But the enemy is in us - all humankind
We want to kill the invader like we could in the past
But you can’t kill a virus with a shotgun blast
This is not a nation that we’re up against
If it’s good against evil what’s our best defense?
The man on the street was drawing a crowd
Some people got angry and voices got loud
The crowd answered back to the sidewalk guy
That we must have revenge for the people that died
But the man kept talking about love and light
As if that were any way to fight the fight
And a scuffle started and they hauled him in
He was convicted of crimes and convicted of sins
And for national safety and religious pride
That sidewalk preacher was crucified
by David Wilcox
BonnieM Says: January 25th, 2005 at 2:22 am
That is another way to look at it. But then I don’t know the last paragraph is really the way it happened. If you are talking about the people who crucified Jesus wanting revenge for people that died. I just really don’t understand how the last sentence fits in. There are wars in the Old Testament that God actually - I guess you could say encouraged. Many wars where Judah and Israel were taken over and one country after another. According to what I read, God had warned the people that their empty rituals and worshipping of idols would be their downfall. And then after so many years return them to their home. So, I can’t say that he never approved of wars. Then when Jesus came, it was a new covenant. But I don’t know either that God wouldn’t want the harm that Sadamm was doing to the people stopped. A lot of very Christian people, Pastors (not the televangelist that you see on TV) believe it was the right thing to do. As I said before, I wish we had not gone in, but then I don’t like make tough calls. We are there and I do believe we have to stay there. When I pray for our troops, Our leaders, etc. I also pray for the innocent Iraqis. I also believe that something good comes out of any bad thing, for those who love the Lord. And that is my sermon for the day!! LOL!
BonnieM Says: January 25th, 2005 at 2:33 am
As a footnote, Julian, do you think after 9/11 we should have done nothing? Do you think if we had done nothing, we would be safe from now on? Do you think the people who lost loved ones on that day don’t deserve every action we can take to try to see that it doesn’t happen again? I don’t believe Sadamm had anything to do with 9/11, but I do believe that he would befriend anyone who asked for his help to do harm to the U.S. The man was paying $25,000 to the families of the suicide bombers killing innocent Iraqis. What is the saying “The enemy of my enemy is my friend”. Yep, I am more and more convinced that God just may have said this man needs to taken out, because of the terrible pain he is causing on people. Have you heard any of the Iraqis living in this country talk of the pain , suffering and killing he did to their families. Some of them over here that I have heard tell of how he killed family members and maimed them. Julian, I wish we hadn’t gone, I will say again, but we did and there is no point in looking back for me.
Jimmy Says: January 25th, 2005 at 2:34 am
The sidewalk preacher in the last stanza of the Wilcox poem didnt dedicated his life to committing mass murder. And Id like to know what Wilcox would want us to do, sit on our hands and hope theyll leave us alone. Sorry, no dice. You attack america, and we hunt you down and make you one of two things: a)sorry or b) dead. Liberals would like to add option c)alive and free to do whatever and let us forgive and forget. I and the majority of voters refuse to let that happen.
BonnieM Says: January 25th, 2005 at 2:47 pm
Need to make a correction, please. I said Sadamm was pay to the families of the suicide bombers of Iraqis. Should have said people in Israel.
Julian Says: January 25th, 2005 at 3:33 pm
Jimi and BonnieM,
I think that ABSOLUTELY EVERYONE agrees that after 9/11 the right thing to do was to hit al qaeda in Afganistan (and to do a talibanectomy while we were at it). But, the point of the poem by Wilcox is that we need to think about our strategy. 1) Our enemy wants us to kill them. 2) they hope that in the process of killing them, we also kill plenty of innocent muslims so 3) they can grow their army faster than we can kill them because 4) there are vastly more of them (muslims) than there are of us. Going into Iraq, a country that everyone now understands was neither a threat to us nor involved in 9/11 was Bush’s gift to Bin Laden. Bin Laden could not have asked for a better recruiting tool than George W. Bush (the al qaeda poster boy). All I am saying is that we will lose if we follow Bush’s strategy. We can win, but not if we keep falling into Bin Laden’s traps.
BonnieM Says: January 25th, 2005 at 4:16 pm
Julian, I just don’t get your thinking. What would you have done. Gone into Afganistan, chased them out to congregate in other countries friendly to them so they can plan the next attack? I guess what I am saying is what would your solution have been? Other than hit and leave. I had much rather face them in other countries than here at home. I don’t think that it was a trap that Bin Laden set up. We had never before, when attacked, actually gone after them and keep it up. Maybe an air strike here or there, and it showed nothing except that we were willing not do anything with much strength.
Julian Says: January 25th, 2005 at 4:27 pm
In Post #9 what I meant by Bush’s gift to Bin Laden is that by attacking Iraq we caused anti-americanism among muslims to grow at an explosive rate. According to intelligence sources, since our invasion of Iraq, al qaeda-type organizations have grown dramatically. To me, this sounds like we are getting just the opposite result from what we had hoped for.
Julian Says: January 25th, 2005 at 5:00 pm
BonnieM. Here is the first part of my solution. First, because I believe that muslims who join al qeada-type organizations do so because they think that that is the only way that they can free their countries from the dictators and tyrants (e.g., the royal families in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE etc, the govt of Israel) who oppress the people. They hate us for one reason alone (contrary to what some would have you believe, muslim radicals don’t care what religion we practice or how we choose to rule our own country)- we have a long history of supporting the tyrants who have oppressed them. And we continue to do so whole-heartedly. That is the only fuel that feeds their anger at us. Now our country’s policy has been to do whatever it takes to exert control over the energy resources that are under the ground in the middle east. So our govt is reluctant to break our ties with the tyrants who keep feeding our oil addiction. To solve this problem we have to reduce our dependency on oil (not put an oil man in the White House!) and stop proping up tyrants (Bush doesn’t consider them tyrants if they sell us oil, by the way). Meanwhile, we have to fight al qaeda too. Our own policies over the past 80 years are what got ourselves into this jam in the first place. Our current policies are making matters worse.
BonnieM Says: January 25th, 2005 at 5:43 pm
Or maybe, just maybe, they hated us already and this just gave them an excuse to come out with it. I don’t think the hate started with Iraq or even with Afghanistan. I don’t think it is just the muslims. You know how a lot of people judge Texans, or New Yorkers or Californians as being boistrus, bragging, of over the edge in some way. That is the way a lot of people see Americans. I was in Rome once with a woman, who was a little elderly, successful in her business. She got into an argument with a shop keeper. She ordered a White Russian at a sidewalk cafe. Sent it back 3 or 4 times, telling the waiter it was not a White Russian. I was so embarrassed that I wanted to walk away and leave her. From what I have heard, they are used to this type of “superiority” attitude from Americans.
Elise Says: January 25th, 2005 at 5:47 pm
Julian, re comment #11, I hear Iraqis, on TV, who are very appreciative of our going into Iraq. And if you get away from some of the mainstream news stations, you also hear of more going on in Iraq than just bombings and the bad things going on.
Julian Says: January 25th, 2005 at 6:51 pm
Elise,
There’s no doubt that some iraqi’s are appreciative. In regions controlled by the Kurds, things have never been better. And I am genuinely happy for the Kurds. But in southern Iraq there are an average of 150 insurgency attacks per day. And, over 100,000 iraqis have been killed as a direct result of the US invasion. We also have to be aware that people in Iraq are living under conditions that are more extreme and dangerous than most of us can possibly imaging. My contention is that even though some good things are happening in Iraq, overall we are causing our enemies to proliferate when we participate in creating difficult living situations for muslims and when we do things that lead to the deaths of their children (be it by a bomb, bullet, lack of electicity, food, clean drinking water, or security). Minimally, if you invade a country you have to be absolutely ready to provide for the security of the citizens of that country. So Bush made 4 errors here. 1. no WMDs in Iraq, 2. no Iraq-9/11 connection, 3. the invasion is increasing al qeada recruitment, 4. can’t ensure security for iraqi civilians. I think that’s enough to define his enterprise as a catastrophic MISTAKE.
Elise Says: January 25th, 2005 at 9:05 pm
Well, you have your viewpoints.
bonniem Says: January 25th, 2005 at 9:28 pm
O.K. Julian, you made a mistake if you think Bush said there was an Iraq- 9/11 connection. He never said that. That is so typical. A bunch of liberal politicians and media won’t let that lie, lay. And I will not even bother trying to explain away the other misconceptions. You have your mind made up. So do I.
Julian Says: January 25th, 2005 at 10:02 pm
BonnieM,
Cheney has continued to assert that there was a connection between 9/11 and Saddam on Sunday talk shows. Heard him say it with my own ears. Bush didn’t say it but was happy to have all the Fox news people say it.
Julian Says: January 26th, 2005 at 12:06 am
BonnieM and Elise,
I am very much willing to change my viewpoints. I just honestly thinks that the facts strongly support my position. But I also strongly believe that an honest person needs to continually challenge their own beliefs and test them against the facts. Like they say, adapt and survive.
bonniem Says: January 26th, 2005 at 1:07 am
No, Bush didn’t say it and all the Fox News people haven’t said it. If any of them did, it was their own personal opinion. Julian, I am not going to argue this with you any more. As I said, you have made up your mind and I have made up mine. Why are you beating this dead horse? The majority of Americans for one reason or another, whether they approve of the war in Iraq or not, voted for President George W. Bush. There are so many issues in the world today, and as bad as the war is, there are other issues to take into consideration. So you have your priorities and we all have ours. Ok? I feel like I am talking to a child who wants to do something that I have told them no and they go on and on begging. I don’t mean that as an insult to you, It is me. I am tired of this conversation. You can’t change my mind. I am hardheaded and stubborn. I can’t change yours and frankly I don’t care. You do your thing and I will do mine.
bonniem Says: January 26th, 2005 at 1:12 am
Re # 12. If they don’t care what our religion is, why do the want to kill us and call us infidels. One reason they hate us is because of our relationship with Israel. That has nothing to do with religion? Why do we depend on them for oil? What do you do to reduce your reliance on oil? Would you be willing for us to drill in some of the places we have to get oil? .
Julian Says: January 26th, 2005 at 3:46 am
hi Bonnie.
4) I know that we could do a lot better at reducing oil consumption. For starters, we could waste less. We could focus much more on developing alternative energy sources (I have relatives who are players in the power business and we all agree that a little incentive from the govt would go a long way toward stimulating companies to invest more in efficiency). You also have to realize, however, that Bush’s best friends, and his dearest loyalties, are to people who profit from our consuption of oil. 5) I would not like to see us drill in Alaska, if that’s what you are asking. But guess what, it’s going to happen anyway because what you and I (or any of the readers) think simply does not matter.
re #21 Excellent questions. Here is my view of what some reasonable answers might be. 1) they (by they, I mean low-level al qeada dudes - the ones who blow themselves up) want to kill americans because they believe that we support rulers in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Jordan, UAE, who keep their countries’ wealth just for royalty while common Arab folks live in poverty and under tyrany. 2) we don’t support Isreal for religious reasons. We support Isreal for strategic reasons. I like Isreal, don’t get me wrong. They have the only democracy in the middle east and treat their own citizens well. They just treat palestinians like crap. 3) We depend on them for oil because they control so much of the oil supply and we use 1/4 of the world’s oil supply (sometimes in productive ways and sometimes to tool around in our SUVs). 4) To reduce my oil use, I moved very close to my office and I ride a bicycle to work every day (and I am the president of the company. So I could have the parking place of my choice. I don’t intend to be bragging but you must admit it’s a bit humorous.
Julian Says: January 26th, 2005 at 3:52 am
Noticing all of my typos in previous posts. I can’t type for sh*t can I. If I have my secretary type this stuff she will think I am a total jackass though.
Julian Says: January 26th, 2005 at 4:13 am
BonnieM, I’m sorry that in my previous post I didn’t exactly answer your question from post #21 about why they call us infidels. Infidels is difficult to translate precisely from Arabic. Many linguists think that it translates best as “godless”, but , a small group of linguists think it translates better as “stinky butts.” (Sean, I’m joking)
Julian Says: January 26th, 2005 at 4:17 am
Want to talk science policy? That’s my specialty.
bonniem Says: January 26th, 2005 at 5:27 pm
Yeah, I believe that is what they think of us. All of it!!!! No, no Science policy with me. I know very little - let me rephrase that — nothing about science. Maybe someone else will talk science with you. You aren’t by chance tho, going to argue that the earth was created by a “big boom” are you? ‘Cause I would say that if it was God caused it.
elise Says: January 26th, 2005 at 5:27 pm
Julian, do you have a thing for Bonniem?
Julian Says: January 26th, 2005 at 6:10 pm
Elise,
Ouch!
Julian Says: January 26th, 2005 at 6:13 pm
Elise, I think that we are the only 3 people who look at this website. Sean jumped ship and my main man, FreeThinker, must have gotten bored and moved on. I think Greg is embarassed about that site he posted that completely contradicted his own argument. He hightailed it soon after.
Bonniem Says: January 26th, 2005 at 6:20 pm
Elise, how old are you?
Bonniem Says: January 26th, 2005 at 6:22 pm
I think that we are probably the only 3 people who don’t have a life! LOL! No, really I think that Sean and some of the others work and so that leaves just us having time to play. Well, actually, I think Julian has a job, too. He obviously has a great group working for him so he has time to play.
Julian Says: January 26th, 2005 at 7:28 pm
You’re right BonnieM, I have the most wonderful employees on the planet.
JohnF Says: February 1st, 2005 at 3:30 pm
Bonniem - You distort the truth and just don’t get it. Your modern day elitest UN “Pharisees” and “Sadducees” need to move their headquarters to Baghdad, Lagos or Karachi!
Bonniem Says: February 1st, 2005 at 4:08 pm
JohnF, what are you talking about?
Sean Says: February 1st, 2005 at 10:17 pm
JohnF,
I’m still waiting for the translation on comment 33.
Bonniem Says: February 1st, 2005 at 11:46 pm
Me too! I repeat! What are you talking about in Comment #33, JohnF.?
Red King Says: March 21st, 2006 at 4:28 am
Rico Suave
Cut the guy some slack! He was in the military and i don’t know if he was in combat but if he was you better respect him, because he would’ve died for you, me and other people he dosen’t know. And don’t even think about calling soliders murderers because you’re calling him, my grandpa,my uncle,my great uncle, both of my great grandfathers,AND me who will be aso called ‘murderer’ in the future because I’m 12 now but when I turn 18 I’m going out to register for a rifle and die in the feild for people I don’t even know! And it’s not even right to call you sauve, ’cause ya’ never take showers ya’ F***ING hippy!!!!!! And my grandparents are afriad of getting a new toilet! Why? Because it’ll be an environmentalist toilet that doesn’t flush! But you environmentalist get super-sized toilets because you’re so full of crap!
MEL GIBSON RULES!!!!!!
Red King Says: March 21st, 2006 at 4:31 am
I MENT WHAT I SAID…….
WhyNotObama? Says: July 31st, 2007 at 11:51 pm
I wonder if any of these post had the forthought to imagine the “now” of this post…..
Still at war….terrorisum is still a threat….we are deeper in debt….