We’re all brothers under the skin (though I’m smarter)- Comrade Chad
Categories: Conciousness Raising
We’re all brothers under the skin (though I’m smarter)
“Whatever,” he mumbled semi-literately
I was about to whip out my Abu Ghraib pictures when I decided to reach into my bottomless well of compassion instead. “He’s probably an idiot,” I thought. “Is it really fair for me to challenge him with my consciousness-raising techniques when I have at my disposal the vast intellectual tools I’ve acquired in graduate school and he probably didn’t finish the eighth grade or possessed a borderline retarded IQ? This trained killer was probably one of the poor suckers who couldn’t read about Amerika’s true history, making him easy prey for Beeazelbush’s lies.” “You know, a just government would’ve given you a chance. You could have done something with your life instead of having to salute criminals like a monkey.” I said in my compassionate voice.
“Um, yeah,” he muttered
“Listen to those verbal skills,” I said to myself. “He probably went to an under-funded school where he had to eat dog food and ketchup. Thanks Ronnie!” Wishing to engage I said, “I feel you, brother. I too have tasted battle. Did you terrorize civilians in the middle of the night?”
“No, I worked supply.”
“So you only helped commit atrocities. During one battle, I had some bad weed and had to stay in the rear and help out the warriors. So, what did you do: cover up evidence?”
“No, I had to hand out bullets and stuff. It was right before Fallujah. Were you in the Sand Box?”
“If you mean the formerly sovereign country of Iraq, then no. I was in the globalization pre-apocalypse in Seattle 1999. We fought against greed and money.”
“Really, what did you do?”
“Well, I had a support position too. I synced the warriors’ ipods right before the great battle of Starbucks. The pigs took 4 of our best that day. Because of their immoral detention, they missed the first week of school and it totally messed up their GPA. I also sold T-shirts for a buddy. He’s now helping infiltrate Korporate Amerika with some kind of clothing Kompany. He’s still down with the cause, though. He helps provide revolution money to exploited Indonesian people.”
“Alright man, I gotta go,” he said.
And so I bade him goodbye. Maybe, besides being much smarter, more socially conscious, and less brainwashed, we’re not so different after all.
kolran Says: December 6th, 2006 at 2:39 am
I read this (complete waste of my time) and I am………………………………………………………………………………………… appalled. I am absolutely appaled. How dare you insult a man in the armed forces, you di’kut. You are the kind of people who make america horrible place to live in. I suppose you would like to have the talaban living everywhere in america. Blowing up preschools ect… No, wait. You probably go to the preschools. I am sorry, but please don’t post here you insolent little kid.
nguirado Says: December 6th, 2006 at 7:35 am
Korlan. It’s a satire. I myself am an officer in the US Army and a veteran of the Iraq war.
Nelson Guirado
British_Nationalist Says: December 6th, 2006 at 8:43 pm
I shouldn’t worry, nguirado, Kolran’s had rather a sense of humour failure lately. I’m sure we can “help him through it” though.
nguirado Says: December 7th, 2006 at 4:39 am
Now that the cat’s out of the bag. Is this funny. I’ve done a couple of others on my site, but I don’t know if people like them. Let me know.
http://www.nelsonguirado.com
Floyd Abrams Says: December 14th, 2006 at 3:31 am
Clinton finally takes responsibility for Bush administration mistakes. This will shock you.
theonion.com/content/node/56410
Floyd Abrams Says: December 18th, 2006 at 3:54 pm
After viewing video tapes, Bill Frist declared SD Senator, Tim Johnson, dead. For full story go here: tomburka.com
Emory Says: December 19th, 2006 at 5:36 am
Are you sure that Bill Frist is alive?
Floyd Abrams Says: December 20th, 2006 at 4:10 am
Hi Emory,
I just submitted the Tom Burka link to check and see if Buck and this site were still alive. This must be a terribly painful time for Bush dead enders who are just having their noses mashed down into the piles of poop that Bush has spent the last 6 years excreting. I have no earthly idea how anyone will be able to get us out of the messes that the Bush administration has generated. I remember when I first started visiting this site and so many rightwingers were so BLINDLY optimistic about Iraq. They were had by an incompetent clown - so much for the “Plan for Victory.” Lots of lessons there to be learned.
Joy Says: December 26th, 2006 at 6:09 am
I’m still blindly looking forward to the day Lefty Floyd Abrams points out the facts regarding the dems. Hmmm hmmm hmmm, la la la, (tap tap tap). Is there an objective view anywhere in our near future from you, Floyd?
Floyd Abrams Says: December 27th, 2006 at 6:09 pm
Joy,
The calamities caused by the republicans and the Bush administration provide enough material. I believe that they terribly misunderstood the meaning of 9/11 and the potential of America to be a force for good in the world. Their mistakes were (and are) grave and have cost us all dearly. If you carefully analyze their model of what it means to be human and what it means to be american, you see that it centers around an impoverished and rather primitive theology. It causes them to fundamentally (so to speak) misinterpret the world that they live in.
kolran Says: January 10th, 2007 at 12:44 am
Lol, rotfl, now THAT was funny Floyd Abrams.
kolran Says: January 10th, 2007 at 12:59 am
The reference to storm troopers got me thinking along the lines of Starwars and do you know who liberals remind me of? That bothan senator, what’s his name? He is always trying to better his personal finances instead of looking at the bigger picture.
John Says: January 17th, 2007 at 3:57 am
lol kolran.Dear floyd, i think saying that the bush admin. is putting america in deep shit is bs in itself. you are not a coherent thinker. first off, we have accomplished much, removing a dictator, creating a much more stable gov in iraq, we have done good. At the same time it has tooken a war to do so. now when i use te word war, that means i infered civilian casualties and death of soldiers, it happenes in every war. and no its not glorious or good. and if it can be avoided with accomplishing its goal aka another way to accomplish the overall goal then that should happen. but sweetheart, when your dealing with people who our corrupt with power and dont go based on morals, willing to kill theresleves or there comrads to eleminate the enemy, or take over 4 airplanes killing many innocents, you cant make peace with them without action.
Now about bush.. have you ever heard of the qoute, “you shouldn’t point fingers at someone’s mistakes, unless your hands are clean” take that into consideration.
Stop looking at all the negatives, that gets you knowere in life.
especially if your trying to make progress.
and many things take patience, for instance, war.
and finally watching the liberal media or reading its news fill not give you a full perspective of anything. they will only support whats benefits them.
the same could be said about conservatives, but remember what i said about positive things….
so i think anything you beleive you can refer back o this and come up with your own opinion.
I dont like war but sometimes its necessary, dont be ignorant.
(ps if all you can attack me on is grammatical errors, please dont waste your time or energy)
Kolran Fett Says: January 20th, 2007 at 7:36 pm
well said, well said indeed…
shannon Says: February 23rd, 2007 at 3:51 am
And also Kolran you say you have never voted for a Republican previously. You also said you hate liberals which leave Democrats out, so if you do not vote, you have NO say so. Maybe you are criminal who CANNOT vote
Kolran Fett Says: February 24th, 2007 at 1:58 am
Lol, no I am not a criminal, but trust me, I have a valid reason, by the way your an idiot, as you yourself cannot vote, so you have NO say so. Rotfl. And there are many more parties than Republican and Democratic, you are narrow minded.
Kolran Fett
shannon Says: February 24th, 2007 at 2:57 am
No I do vote, for a democrat EVERY time. If you would like my voting records I will get them for you. I vote EVERY election no matter how big or small.
shannon Says: February 24th, 2007 at 2:57 am
and what party other than green makes the ballot?
shannon Says: February 24th, 2007 at 6:07 am
Oh and by the way…. Why can’t I vote have homo’s been banned from that too? I mean you want to banish us from society, do you want to take my voting away also? You call ME narrow-minded…. Who is saying that I should be banished to some island set aside for queers? That, to me, is the most narrow-minded thing I have EVER heard. Come on now Kolran is it like I said, are you so upset that I do NOT need a heterosexual for anything? Is that why your little panties are in such a wad? There is a cure for that you know. I heard Victoria’s Secret had a lovely sale on thongs.
Kolran Fett Says: February 24th, 2007 at 7:18 pm
too bad you didn’t grow up in Utah, shannon, or you would release just how much your sick group is frowned upon. In fact, you could have grow up anywhere outside a city and maybe you would relize your need to change. We have no need for you in our society. Go to Iraq, no wait, they prosocute you there too. Go to some remote location in the himalayes where you can start a new branch of christianity that only believes what is convinient to believe. As for other party’s… in the state I formally lived in our govener was from the independant party. Ever heard of that one? Go google it then…
-Kolran Fett
shannon Says: February 25th, 2007 at 12:18 am
Yes and funny thing about “Independant’s” is that they tend to be way more liberal than I. But back to my question…. You truly think you are the hand of God don’t you?
Kolran Fett Says: March 21st, 2007 at 11:19 pm
I am guessing that is a rhetorical question. I am so glad you think you are a centrist, but it’s too bad you don’t see that that’s a lie.
Zach Says: April 19th, 2007 at 11:16 pm
This kid is an Idiot, wait IDIOT!. You and Michael Moore should be wiped off the face of the earth for sayin such things. I bet all the people you come in contact with hate you just as much as i do. If you dont like whats going on in America. Than you and Michael Moore can move to Canada, You sir are a terrible American.
Kolran Fett Says: April 20th, 2007 at 10:10 pm
It would be nice if you would tell who you were addressing, me or Nelson (who wrote the article you posted on). And then back up your statement with some facts, even biased ones. Even that is better than plain opinions.
Zach Says: April 24th, 2007 at 7:38 pm
Kolran this is adressed to you and Nelson. The Only fact that I need to point out is, America does not need people like you to reduce our moral as a people and a country. May god have mercy on you. Because I sure wont!
Zach Says: April 24th, 2007 at 7:41 pm
I take some of that back. Kolran, your fine i thought you were the one who posted this coment. I appologize for anything I said in your regard. Nelson on the other hand i feel that there is no such appology needed
Kolran Fett Says: April 25th, 2007 at 11:39 pm
You know the article is a parody right? I made a mistake farther up, and got mad at nelson, but the article is actually making fun of the guy making fun of the soldier. Anyways, you should post under Facts On Iraq or Our Stolen Futures. The Other Side keeps complaining I am the only republican posting on the site (and I am winning all my arguments).
JACK Says: April 28th, 2007 at 2:42 am
Couple of things, I am a vet and not a supply officer I am there were the bullets meet the flesh - here is a true story to have you liberals thinking…. My team and I went to a town in Iraq and met a tribal chief, he had five sons, a year ago he had seven. His youngest was five and 17 was the oldest. He lost his 19 and 22 year old son. Why, his sons are all suicide bombers. I told him I have 2 daughters and I wouldn’t give them up for any cause, I would die before that happened, he told me proudly he was serving Alla by making sons to fight the Jihad. He hates America for the very rights you liberals enjoy, the very rights my “brainwashed, uneducated, bretheran have faught and died to defend” to quote the idiot on the way top. I am a soldier, don’t I like war but I would rather fight it in Iraq not in America, I would rather die in Iraq than have my kids be in any harm in America. The fanatics we are fighting don’t care about sides, if you notice they kill more of their own than of us. We have to succeed or the world will be a dark place. These terrorist don’t care about Liberals, Conservatives IF YOUR AMERICAN THEY WILL KILL YOU! So when you think about talking trash about our soldiers be thankful that everyone on this planet who wants to do harm to Americans have to go through them first.
nutslikebush Says: April 28th, 2007 at 11:21 am
Jack,
First, thanks for your service. However, I believe that some of your assumptions are probably mistaken. If you assume that the Iraqis would be killing Americans if Americans had not invaded their country and created a failed state, then you are wrong. The people killing Americans in Iraq are, with the exception of a very small number of “foreign fighters”, are generally uninterested in killing anyone who isn’t occupying their country. I believe that we did create a problem there that we need to help solve, but the military is helpless with respect to the problems of Iraq. In fact, when the military tries to help, they just make matters worse there. Unfortunately, Bush may have created an unsolvable problem. I do wish that our military could be used to defend us and not to just go out and create problems for us. But that is what happens when a nation tragically makes the wrong decision during a presidential election. We have all paid dearly for the last 6.5 years of poor leadership and the lack of wisdom displayed by the Bush administration. Fundamentally, they just lack wisdom and good judgment.
shannon Says: April 28th, 2007 at 3:19 pm
Do you not realize how many people make money off of war? Do you not know that we have accomplished absolutely nothing in Iraq? Do you not see that radical groups are continuing to press on despite our efforts? No one is accusing you personally of anything. Eisenhower was a five star General for this country and even he saw the corruption that exsisted when he was president (1953-1961) and knew we are all doomed. Lets take a look at Rome, Rome rose and fell within two thousand years, they made lots of mistakes, put their people and empire at stake and fell. The United States has risen to that power in less than two hundred years and we are quickly on our way to falling. We want to extinguish communism but have done it in all the wrong ways. Since World War II we have had a presence in almost every country in the world and have done little for our own people. Our own citizens continue to starve, continue to not be able to own their own house, continue to not have much needed medical care and we continue to bleed tons of money into a war that has not accomplished a thing. Now if I were the leader of another country I would be pissed off that the US felt a need to occupy my country. What rite do we think we have? World War II saw a country that were seperate from the rest of the world and only until the bombing of Pearl Harbor did we attack. But, look how we did it we bombed an already flailing country when no one else in the world supported us doing that. We could have easily fought Japan with some other means besides an atomic bomb but he thought the US need to show off a bit. So those chain of events led to an arms race. If only we would have refrained.
Kolran Fett Says: April 28th, 2007 at 4:49 pm
Is Jack Antilla back? No way… gotta be a differen’t jack.
Kolran Fett Says: April 28th, 2007 at 8:26 pm
Hey Shannon, talk to your elders with respect. He’s been to Iraq, more than you can say for yourself.
-Kolran Fett
shannon Says: April 29th, 2007 at 11:17 pm
Kolran you do not know what I have done so STFU! How do you know what I have done? As a matter of fact after September 11 I worked first response disaster relief. You are so self righteous.
shannon Says: April 30th, 2007 at 3:30 am
And another thing I would like to add, what exactly have you done for your country? I mean I have googled the name and all I find are these ridiculous Star Trek sites. Now if you are so great why is your name not on something more credible than that. If you googled mine you find that I have done many things to serve my country and the people who live in it. I mean at least I am not some weirdo sci-fi freak who has lost touch with reality
Zach Says: May 1st, 2007 at 7:01 pm
Shannon,
Maybe you should get some of your facts looked over. Bush accomplished all that he said he would in Iraq and you are still blind to that. He said he wanted to get a radical dictator out of office in I raq and….we did and we hung him. Was that wrong? lots of people seem to think that it was wrong to hang Saddam. Are you kidding. That would mean that you support Mass Genocide. Also he said and i quote “to rid the world of Terror”. If you look at the kill ratios in Iraq, you wil see that we kill dozens before they kill one of our troops. So in conclusion we are accomplishing our main two goals and the other goal of finding weapons of mass destruction. We partially accomplished that as well. True, we did not find any nuclear weapons, but we did find loads and loads of chemical and Biological weapons. Which if you did not know are used to kill in masses. Hence WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION
JACK Says: May 1st, 2007 at 11:02 pm
In all fairness, terrorism was coming weather you want to believe me or not, the extremist believe it is their right to rule the world, I have talked to some and have seen their resolve, remember 911 came before the Iraqi war. Yes things could have been done better but my whole point was its done, it’s happening now, so stop crying and help us bring stability in the middle east, that is the worlds only option. Support the troops, support your government and maybe just maybe the terrorist will realize that people, especially in America will not put up with their crap. Because when Americans support America, these terrorist loose the proganda, initiative and intimidation. But the terrorist are laughing at America right now - look at the great UNITED States of America, they are not UNITED we can defeat them, that is basically the only way America looses wars. I can’t change Bush’s Decisions or acts done in world war 2 but this moment right now if you people want a better world we need to support our troops and the resolve to bring stability to Iraq. We can’t let these extremist win, because we will all loose. We are to deep to simply pull out, no one is going to forgive us for that especially the Iraqis who want us there, they will just remember us as deserting them, false promises etc. Thus, we made more enemies. If we win in Iraq, we will have brought some peace to the middle east and in all seriousness other crap countries will think twice about American will, Iraq is not just about Iraq anymore, it really means world peace. Lastly, please out of respect don’t tell me about how the Iraqis feel, I have fought with, fought against and bleed with many of them. I have talked with Shiite, Sunni, Kurdish, Christian Iraqis pro and anti so I know first hand what they want in their hearts. They want a peaceful government and they know that can’t happen without UN help. They seriously hate each other more than us.
Kolran Fett Says: May 1st, 2007 at 11:12 pm
I googled your name and I found an Airport company and a bunch of porn sites. -Fact
JACK Says: May 2nd, 2007 at 7:39 am
KORLAN, I am a different Jack, and I would like to say to SHANNON, what does it matter if you googled his name and StarTrek came up, lets focus on the issues, when you make comments about a persons sign on name I can’t take you seriously. Or anyone who will feel desperate enough to attack a sign on name, it shows that your arguments have failed. Lets stick to what counts. My sign on name is Jack and simple enough that is my actually first. That said, Liberals tell me your solution, I have already read your complaints. I want to do something to make things right, it seems Liberals want to run away and act like everything will be ok after we leave Iraq. That would be a bad assumption! The fact about me is I am going back to Iraq in 3 weeks and I happy and eager to make Iraq a better place, so I ask you, support me and let me do my job. If I fail, atleast I put myself in harms way, I wasn’t sitting on a couch or yelling at the tv…. I will let you in a known fact, many Iraqis don’t support us helping them because you don’t support us, they don’t want to put their necks on the line then 2 months later America cuts and runs and leaves them high and dry. America is popular for that. If America would show their support then the Iraqis will also support us, life example could you trust someone if you felt like he/she was prone to leaving when things got hard… Support us!
shannon Says: May 2nd, 2007 at 5:03 pm
wow kolran do you even know my last name? Perhaps that would help your search.
shannon Says: May 2nd, 2007 at 5:05 pm
well zack we see mass genocide committed daily in other countries and do not prevent it. We did not hand Sadam Iraq did so perhaps you should get your facts straight.
JACK Says: May 3rd, 2007 at 4:47 am
Well SHANNON we have tried to stop genocide in other countries - Somalia (I was there), Boznia, Haite (I was there), Horn of Africa and currently Iraq (been there, going back). But we can never accomplish much because Liberals/Politics always interferes. The world always begs America to do something, people plead help us, we do, then these Islamic extremist (with the help of Liberals) screw everything up. Somalia very good example now the world wants America to go back and help them again. We are damed if we do and damed if we don’t. But if we destroy the insergancy in Iraq we could in essance destroy the Islamic extremist proganda machine and war machine. Note I said Islamic extremist not muslims or Islam in general. These people are living for survival and if they can’t trust us to finish the job they have to support the terrorist if they want to SURVIVE. But like I said before, If you support us and show the world the UNITED STATES is truely UNITED we will gain their trust…. Support us, stop complainning and maybe we can right the wrongs.
shannon Says: May 3rd, 2007 at 3:39 pm
No one ever said I do not support our troops, I come from a long line of military family. I am saying that I am not going to be led around blindly by our government. I support everyone in the military, I feel like everyone should. Does it not make you pissed when you see how little money the government gives you and the hospitals you are forced to go to are run down and under staffed? Doesn’t it make you mad that the soldier sent to Abu Ghrab were not adequately staffed and supplied? I mean those are the facts here. The other facts are the incestuous relationship between our government and the suppliers of war supplies. The other facts are that we leave people behind in our own country but say we are fighting for the freedoms of others. The Iraqi people do not WANT us there, yet another fact. What makes you think that they do. Have you polled all of the people in Iraq and asked them how they feel about us? They hate us. We are there to spend more money, to fight a war that is not going anywhere, and I feel like they can build it back all by their lonesomes. Every time the US tries to build back and support a police unit terrorist tear it down. So what is so wrong with letting them do it?
shannon Says: May 3rd, 2007 at 3:40 pm
And do not confuse me with being liberal but you can always accuse me of being a seperatist
Kolran Fett Says: May 3rd, 2007 at 10:53 pm
Actually, your being a real jerk, Shannon, acting like a teenager if you will. Maybe “you should get your facts straight”. The Iraqi’s do distrust us because we promised to liberate them during the Persian gulf war… and we didn’t.
jack Says: May 4th, 2007 at 5:20 am
SHANNON, I guess you didn’t read my post. I didn’t take a poll, I talked to them, away from the media and in their homes. These people want us there, they want a better life. You will never get an accurate poll because everyone is watching and keeping score, the way you vote in Iraq can get you killed. I don’t think I know. It pisses me off that irrigardless of why I have sent to Iraq the people of this great nation can’t realize to just let the military do its job. If they just stop trying to hold things up maybe we would get somewhere. When you don’t support the government, they can’t support the troops and the troops together with the people we are trying to help loose hope, motivation and the desire to cooperate. Unfortunately, I agree we don’t help our own people more than the rest of the world, but you have to remember no matter the world wants to admit it or not they always call us for help. Second fact is America is literally made up of the world, America has every nationality so when we help the world we are helping Americas roots and origins. SHANNON at the moment I don’t care about the money and whose making it, I just want to make sure my country is safe, Iraq gets peace and the world to see AMERICA still is UNITED. I’ll let you worry about the money.
jack Says: May 4th, 2007 at 5:26 am
Oh, SHANNON what really pushes my buttons is that you assume I am being led blindly, I have seen more of this puzzle than you have. So believe me when I say I am not blind to the big picture but I know enough to try and paint a better one. I can’t do it because Liberals, seperatist (people who don’t seem to want to be on any team), just can’t seem to stop yappin enough for me to finish.
shannon Says: May 4th, 2007 at 2:35 pm
Well Kolran I do not recall ever saying anything about why they distrust us so you have nothing to prove or disprove now do you?
Kolran Fett Says: May 5th, 2007 at 5:09 pm
Great arguement Shannon, grow up,
The Other Side Says: May 5th, 2007 at 6:17 pm
“It pisses me off that irrigardless of why I have sent to Iraq the people of this great nation can’t realize to just let the military do its job. If they just stop trying to hold things up maybe we would get somewhere. When you don’t support the government, they can’t support the troops and the troops together with the people we are trying to help loose hope, motivation and the desire to cooperate.”
i appreciate your service jack, but your statement shows the fundemental flaw of this war: the assumption that america and democracy can and will be accepted in iraq. idealy, if what you say happened in iraq, things would be better. but shiites are pissed because of the years of oppression from saddam. sunnis are afraid to lose power, even if they only account for 20% of the country. their deep-seeded disdain for each other clouds their minds from latching onto democracy. all they want is power.
iraq needs a strong leader, and maliki is not it. the government and maliki are shiite so the sunnis are threatened. after decades of saddam, iraq was not prepared for democracy. if this surge is going to work, the iraqi government needs to find solidarity to work for a united iraq.
shannon Says: May 5th, 2007 at 11:08 pm
Kolran how do you gather that you are so much better than I?
nutslikebush Says: May 6th, 2007 at 12:40 am
Zach, FACT CHECK: not a single chemical or biological weapon was found in Iraq. You are passing along inaccurate information when you claim that they were.
Jack: The Iraq invasion has led to a disaster - we replaced Saddam with 10,000 Saddams. We can’t leave because the civil war between the sunis and shia will turn into a genocide and will likely create a regional conflict and catastrophic instability throughout the middle east (think Armageddon, but not the religious freaky fantasy, but real death and mayhem). If that happens, your quality life here in the US will drop dramatically (because you will have no energy supply to fuel your stuff). We must stay, and spend trillion$ of dollars (we have spent $500,000,000,000 so far, all borrowed from other countries, by the way, to keep your taxes low so you don’t feel the war in your pocketbook - yet). The moment we leave, the thing blows up, whether it is tomorrow or 20 years from now. More than 500,000 Iraqis have died as a result of the war and over 2 million are refugees to neighboring countries. Usually the refugees are the best and brightest, the university educated class. The Iraqi parliament can’t even get a quorum unless they are discussing giving themselves raises (seriously) and they can’t pass any legislation. In other words, their government is a total failure. So, what we had with Saddam was a horrible dictator who was politically weak, disarmed, and boxed in. But he did keep the civil war from breaking out and he hated Bin Laden and al qaeda and kept that out of Iraq. What we have now is chaos in Iraq, corruption, a black hole for our money, our troops are sitting ducks, and instability that threatens the region.
Bin Laden’s basic strategy seems to have worked. As he puts it, he wants to “provoke and bait” the United States into “bleeding wars” throughout the Islamic world; he wants to bankrupt the US just like he helped bankrupt the Soviet Union in Afghanistan in the 1980s. The demoralized “far enemy” would then go home, allowing al Qaeda to focus on destroying its “near enemies,” Israel and the “corrupt” regimes of Egypt, Jordan, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia. The U.S. occupation of Iraq fits bin Laden’s stated plan perfectly and he has turned Iraq into a trap for the US. Some experts think that now he plans to extend his strategy by exploiting or even triggering a war between the United States and Iran.
Zach Says: May 7th, 2007 at 1:58 am
Nutslikebush and shannon,
Zach Says: May 7th, 2007 at 2:04 am
Nutslikebush and shannon, Maybe you should just stop complaining and get out there and fix americas problems, I mean you act like you have all the answers….. so why dont you just fix all the problems and the world will be a better place. Ohh wait you cant because all that comes out of your mouth is just a bunch of garbage to demoralize the troops and the american people. Also Nuts. They did find chemical weapons. Do you know what you would do with 4000 tons of CS gas. Also If Iraq did not have any weapons of mass destruction then how did Saddam gas all those Kurds. I dont think he just passed gas on them and they all died somehow. Also this website is called laugh at liberals, not www for any liberal idiot to voice his or her oppinions.com
Zach Says: May 7th, 2007 at 2:17 am
Maybe you who dont think we found anything should look at this web page
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=060622055545.07o4imol&show_article=1
or this
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/13/AR2005081300530.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40754
and for Biological weapons please visit
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2892077.stm
So there for maybe you should research your facts.
Also most of these websites are not owned and runned by conservitives. Maybe you should modify your out look on this whole thing.
The Other Side Says: May 8th, 2007 at 4:25 pm
zach, how is what shannon and nutslikebush saying demoralizing the troops? i would think that a president and his administration that extends the tours of duty, re-deploys the same national guard units, sends the army off to war unprepared and royally screws them in walter reed is demoralizing the troops. their actions speak louder than the horrible left’s words do.
the ’support the troops’ talking point is getting really old and based on reality, seems to be hypocritical. most of the country agrees with the change the course mentality, so how can these words demoralize the american public?
shannon Says: May 9th, 2007 at 3:43 am
Well said I applaud you!
Kolran Fett Says: May 9th, 2007 at 10:34 pm
What do you mean by ‘most of the country’, the other side? You better not be refering to polls of off CNN. Who the heck stays sitting around all day waiting for a phone call on their political views anyway? Liberals? That’s why liberals are normally ahead in the polls, but when the voting starts…
-Kolran Fett
The Other Side Says: May 10th, 2007 at 3:44 am
bush’s approval rating is at 28% and the handling of the war in iraq is at 65% opposition and 34% favor. thats 30% difference. what does it matter that its from “liberal” cnn. i would trust those numbers over any foxnews poll. 30% seems too severe to think america likes the current strategy.
and i think the last election showed america’s displeasure. and i think the next election will be even worse for republicans, at least if they stick with their current candidates and current strategies.
Zach Says: May 10th, 2007 at 4:51 am
You see this is what I am talking about. All you leftist go blabbing your mouth like you have all the answers to the worlds problems and then you just sit there and do nothing. Why cant you ever be the type of positive thinking individuals that america needs. Do you think that george washington was a man who said things and then didnt take any action because it would just be easier that way. You liberals need to stop thinking so negitivly and run for president. Oh, but that would be to easy to fix all of americas problems, so I think that Ill just sit here and wait for my tax refund to roll on in. If you dont have something nice to say about the things that are going on in Iraq, dont say anything at all. I cannot stress this enough. Also dont act so effected by this. Maybe youll have to give up putting gas in your prius. SOOOO what, do you really think that you complaining will change the governments mind. no. Maybe you should approach this with some kind of respect for all that make this freedom so free.
ps. did not hear anything back on the weapons argument.
Love your dearest AMERICAN, Zach
shannon Says: May 10th, 2007 at 2:42 pm
Well Kolran voting started and guess who has the house now? I cannot believe you would say that!
Spc. Blakely Says: May 11th, 2007 at 4:16 am
You know, Iraq is a real crappy place if you’ve ever been there, Jack should know what I’m talking about if he’s been there.
It smells, the people are anal to the point of extrematies, theres garbage EVERYWHERE (makes hiding IED’s a doosy.) people walk around with AK 47’s like it’s normal and mudane, oh and did I mention, It smells.
I suppose it’s better than Afghanistan though, atlest Iraq has some sort of civilization, after the rushki’s ruined Afghanistan it’s worse off. The people live in Mudd hutts, Their Dumb as $#!t they look and smell like monkeys, the women are absolutly gross as hell when they take off their burkas, I guess the lack of natural lighting does somthing to a womans face. The roads are barly roads at all, theres ols Soviet junk everywhere, the farming fields are still in ruins after the Rushkie’s salted them and burned them all, so the biggest profit tey make over there is in opium, and Killing, and believe me for all their short commings thos F@$%ers know know to fight, after all it’s all they’ve been doing for te last few gererations.
any way I could go into stories about how crazy theese people are but my point is, Afghanistan is a s*&t hole, it is the wrst place I’ve ever seen, and I’ve been to both Iraq and Afghanistan, and I’m set to go back to afghanistan sometime next year, you never know with theese damned 15 month deployments. If we pull out of Iraq now when they need us most, with an enemy thats emboldened, and pretty much being minipulated by every country and intelegence service in the Middle east, it’ll turn into another Afghanistan. and trust me those people don’t deserve it, no one does.
The Other Side Says: May 11th, 2007 at 5:27 pm
zach is making the same argument that kolran was making not too long ago. if you don’t don’t like what the president is doing shut up or leave. how can you say that in a democracy? i don’t have any answers, just public opinion and frustrations about this continued occupation of iraq. how can i think positively when iraq is falling apart at the seems? i can’t force a smile and blindly follow a leader who has/is being shown to have totally mismanaged this war.
the scary thing that zach said was his last two points. in his republican mind, he and his party have full control and any dissent is futile because bush can veto whatever he wants. what happened to democracy where people debate issues and could change the governments mind? the government works for the people and this “complaining” should play a role in decision making, it didn’t for the past six years of republican control.
his last point was the republican talking point of lefties don’t support the troops. thats starting to get insulting. i keep seeing what bush’s administration did before and during the war that totally disregarded the troops and the commanders on the ground and show immense hypocracy. yet they still use the troops to qualm dissent and build themselves up. its a pathetic political move. i want the troops home because they fighting under immense mental and psychological pressure, two or three tours will break down the mind. our troops don’t deserve to fight an open-ended war.
p.s. finding chemical and biological weapons after the invasion doesn’t justify the initial invasion. the administration said they had found wmd’s (a very ambiguous term) before attacking iraq. that argument has been debunked enough to not matter. its like cheney still saying saddam had connections with al-queda.
Kolran Fett Says: May 12th, 2007 at 4:28 pm
The Other Side, the initial invasion was justified by Saddam not letting us search, actually finding weapons just makes the press happy. Also, you keep pretending the U.S. is a democracy. Democracy this, democracy that, IT”S NOT A DEMOCRACY. A true democracy is where every citizen votes. The only true democracy left is some rural area of Switzerland. Maybe you should go there and you’d be happy. Although, if you spend your whole life voting on laws, isn’t everyone a politician? And a society filled with politicians would be PERFECT for you and Shannon. You guys could just go around arguing and smearing people who don’t agree with you.
-Kolran Fett
Spc. Blakely Says: May 14th, 2007 at 3:20 am
Kolran, I think you miss the pointofthat argument. If you want to get into it, technicly there is no TRUE Democracy at all. But what we have is close enough, you can argue it’s not a democracy, and it’s funny as hell to watch you try, but The Other Side’s point still stands, we live in a democratic republic where every one has the right to be ignored equilly, and the good thing about that is every one can speak their opinnion, and the bad thing is, every one can speak their opinnion.
but please if you’re going to argue stay on topic.
zach Says: May 14th, 2007 at 5:46 am
Other side.
You bring up some good points, but, you still fail to answer all of my questions. You see leftist think, “if i dont like it id dont have to hear it”. You also talk about a open ended war. What are you talking about. What were our goals in Iraq. Well first of all find WOMD, we did that. Second take Saddam out of power, we did and he is planted six feet under. Third, rid the world of terror. So far we are doing a great job. You talk about a useless war. Why dont you google the phrase ” The good done in and or for Iraq”. You see all the liberal media focuses on is the negitive side of war. They did it in Vietnam, and thier doing it now. Why? If you can answer that I would really be greatful. also yes you are alowed to whine. But when it gets exsesive, it becomes an annoyance. Maybe more people would listen to you if you had a shread of positive oppinion and not just an angered blinded man of the media.
Zach
The Other Side Says: May 14th, 2007 at 5:17 pm
kolran, you can’t go to war just because saddam didn’t let us search. with the mounting evidence, there was 1. no justification for going to war in iraq and 2. no debate at home or any diplomatic attempt to solve the problem. no foresight into what the future of iraq would be if we invaded, bush 1 knew exactly what would happen. going to war needs some real thought behind it.
Kolran Fett Says: May 14th, 2007 at 11:48 pm
Thanks for telling me how to post, Spc. Blakely. I could never have figured it out myself. How about your view on the topic?
Republicans View- Everyone should have an equal opportunity in the united states.
Liberal/Leftest View- Everyone’s choices should have an equal outcome.
So I don’t really get it when you say that “The Other Side’s point still stands, we live in a democratic republic (very good) where every one has the right to be ignored equally” Is that sarcasm? Please explain because it doesn’t make any sense.
-Kolran Fett